Standard
 

Is a cottony coat against the standard?

"dragging himself almong on his stomach"

YOu might wanna get that checked he may have an infection

& yes by this age he should be getting neutered they can start humping very young but this at this age is when most vets neuter

:) I'm lost on your answer to wether a cottony coat is standard.....

Sorry originally I made 2 of these threads on accident so i changed this one.

I do not want to get him neutered. and he does not have an infection (got it checked) so if it is not a male dog thing then i guess he just has weird habits lol :rolleyes:

Do you know the pros and cons of not having him neutered? If you're not going to show him or use him for breeding, he should be neutered...they are less likely to get certain cancers, plus when they smell a female in heat, they can smell it up to a mile away, he could run out the door and get hit by an oncoming car, they are more likely to hump and to lift their legs, etc etc..the list goes on..

Would it be "bad" if i did want to breed him?

Nobody wants to answer your question lol! This is taken from YT thread Yorkie Coats, Colors, and Puppy Growth Chart Thread, http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16045

"The puppies with woolly and cottony coats, although growing great length and heaviness fast, never attain the correct visual colors. Their qualities – thick heavy, downy, and soft – deter or dull any light rays from proper play on the hairs."

So I guess the answer is yes, it's against standard.

If he is in the "standard", and you've had all the testing done on him, no, but, you have to remember, once you use them for breeding, he will mark the rest of his life..

I don't think it's "bad" that you "want" to breed him. I think many of us want clones of our Yorkies, but as soon as we understand even a tiny bit more about breeding we decide yes it is bad to breed them, unless you are trying to "better the breed", and you have studied the subject thoroughly, and have found a mentor.

Shouldn't yorkiegirl have the right to advice without people's opinions getting in the way? So what if he is not the "standard"? I think that the standar is over rated. what is the worst that is going to happen if she breeds her dog???

Well, that all depends, he will mark the house the rest of his life, so, therefore, will have to wear belly bands, which I guess, some people deal with all the time, I myself, wouldn't want to deal with it, and it depends on if he has been tested to make sure there is no LS in his line and other testing that needs to be done..other than that, I guess nothing...it's a decision she has to make for herself, but, it's a known fact, that a neutered male, makes for a better pet..

The worst thing that's going to happen is that shelters will fill up with more and more unwanted dogs due to irresponsible breeding (I'm not saying she will be irresponsible). There are already thousands of dogs out there without homes. Let's save those before we add to them.

I don't necessarily think it's "bad" to breed, but I personally believe you should only a breed an animal that is in conformation with the standard. If not standard, than at least make sure it's healthy. Good luck.

A breed standard states the qualities that make a certain breed unique. Many many knowledgeable people wrote the standard...they wrote it with their vast knowledge of the breed history, proper movement, physical characteristics, and health in mind. The breed standard is there to preserve the breed. By breeding dogs that don't meet the standard, you start getting farther and farther away from it, and eventually the dog won't even look like a yorkie anymore.

Also, what is the point in breeding dogs that don't meet the standard? Breeding should be done to improve the breed and to breed the best examples of the breed possible. There are plenty of dogs in shelters and in rescues if someone isn't concerned with having a dog that meets the standard. Why breed more pet-quality dogs when there are millions being euthanized in shelters every year (both purebred and mixed breed)? The fact is that there are too many dogs and not enough homes out there. Dogs are being produced much faster than homes are available. Obviously we want to preserve our breeds so purebred dogs do have to continue to be produced occasionally...but they should be good examples of the breed.

What's the worst thing that could happen? She could potentially bring puppies into the world that have genetic defects such as Luxating Patella, Liver Shunt, Collapsed Trachea, Legg-Calve-Perthes disease, Chronic Renal Failure, Heart Defects, Blindess, Deafness, Atlanto-Axial Instability, etc. Look on YT and you'll see many stories of dogs with congenital defects. Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a Liver Shunt than all other breeds combined and are ranked 4th by the OFA for Luxating patellas. These defects cause pain for the puppy and heartache for the family that buys it. Also, her dog could potentially contract an STD such as Brucellosis in which the recommended "treatment" is euthanasia because the dog becomes a public health risk to humans. She risks her sweet little boy becoming a "stud" , marking, and even becoming aggressive. By keeping him intact, she risks him getting testicular cancer and an enlarged prostate, unwanted behavior like marking, humping, and aggression, and risking his safety as he will do anything to get to a female in heat (they can smell one up to a mile away). Some males even stop eating for weeks at a time when a female in heat is near.

Hope that answers your question :)

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Excellent post!!

The standard is overrated????? :tongue012

The standard is the blueprint that makes a Yorkie a Yorkie, the "recipe" breeders need to follow to guarantee that Yorkies continue to look like Yorkies.

As far as the worst that is going to happen if she breeds her dog, I think MyFairLacy pretty much covered the possibilities.

Yes, cottony coat is against standard. However, I have a male with a cottony coat, and I prefer it for a pet yorkie.
So much easier to care for. I just twist chunks and clip and he looks like a puppy still and it doesnt get matted like the silky coat does.

One of the ways you tell a cotton coat from a silky is that the cotton mats, and the silky does not. If yours isn't matting you probably have a silky.

OK, I have to voice my opinion here (eeeks)
Great posts, especially on the medical side of breeding. I do think AKC serves a wonderful purpose of preserving the breed, as it's very nice to purchase an AKC dog and know what you're supposed to get.

On the other side, as we keep all these non AKC purebreds from being born, a new situation has been generated. The cost of obtaining a non purebred dog for a home has gone thru the roof. It's almost impossible to find a mut puppy without paying an arm and a leg. I am a firm believer that when you have children, you should be very careful in choosing your dog. I have never wanted to bring an adult dog into our home with kids, as you never know what their temperment will be with kids (my kids are very loving with pets).

I think in the attempt to "save" dogs (and cats for that matter), rescue leagues have defeated their purpose. They have certainly pushed families towards purchasing dogs with papers...hence development of all the "other" registration organizations now.

It's not a terrible thing to breed your Yorkie who doesn't look exactly like a Yorkie (these posts were a bit hars on ya). The pups should not be sold as AKC breeders. I think there are fantatic puppies coming from homes who breed their dogs once or twice. Many times over would not be responsible for any dog owner. Why is it OK for breeders to do so? Don't they face the same problems listed? I've had fabulous "mut" pets, and I've got two fabulous AKC dogs now.

The real problem is the process of adopting a dog from a rescue league.

OK, take it easy on me ladies :)

As I read my post, I'm thinking it may be a regional thing too - I'm in Massachusetts. All dogs cost $ around here. I know in TX it's much easier to find a mix breed, etc...

Hi :) Not trying to disagree, as I notice that I agree with most of your posts :) However, my Joe has never marked in the house ever and he has bred. In fact, the silly boy doesn't even lift his leg when he pees outside, nor does he go around marking anything out there. He's quite the exception to a lot though, he's a cool dude. However, my old lab, who never bred, marked everything, including me one day. I was sitting on the floor in the family room, when all of a sudden my back was warm and wet. I turned around and screamed. He was marking ME! Guess he wanted the other dogs to know I was his. :D

Not sure, but I think I agree, LOL.

I have my own personal feelings on breeding and standards. I know that a lot of people here might say that irresponsible breeding (non standard or mixed breeding) is the reason for shelters being so full and all that, but actually that would be irresponsible pet owners. I dont think the quality of the dogs, the breed of the dog whether purebred or not, makes one iota of difference in regards to the way someone cares for it. If someone is going to neglect or abandon or get bored with an animal, I dont think it has anything to do with how well bred the dog is. The only thing that has to do with the breeding is that the person that had the litter has to take the time to place the pups in responsible homes.
I understand that if you want to purely breed only picture perfect, according to "akc standard" yorkies, and thats your right Dont blame the fact that there are wayyyyyy too many animals neglected out there on people that might breed their dog that falls short of the standard or has a mixed breed litter. Unless someone is mass producing pups just to make money and throwing them out to anyone that hands over money, I dont think you have any right to say that they are contributing to overcrowded shelters if they are acting responsibly about placing their babies.

MindieRose
 

I love that. That is exactly what I wanted to say. I really don't see how responsible breeding of any breed or mix of breeds contributes any more that breeding the breed standard. It is people that let their dogs go unfixed and roam the neighborhood... jumping into other people's back yards and breeding w/ their unfixed dogs and so on that is irresponsible. Puppy mills are breeding pure breed AKC and they are irresponsible. She didn't aske can I breed my yorkie w/ a LP or w/ shunts... she asked about the coat. Now, unless she has the female.... I don't know many female owners who would want their female bred to less than the standard... but if she has her own female... I don't think she is contributing to all the problems you list.

That being said. She did ask. If someone ask "what would be the problem w/ that" then they have to be ready for the responses they get. If someone states they are going to do it... then I don't think people should but in and attack. But in this case the girl did ask.... and was told many opinions and she has to decide from there.

About cottony coat... the person that says cottony or wooly don't tangle is wrong. Silky rarely tangles except around the haunches.... but the other two it is a constant battle unless they are cut very short.

Mine have silky coats, and they never get matted..if mine gets one little knot, I comb it right out, they have the easiest hair ever to take care of..I have literally gone a month without combing either of mine, and a comb goes right through them..

Alright sweetie, then most of them once they've been bred, minus your JOE>>:D

sorry, should have read the other 2 posts first before I corrected about the silky hair...
And you last 3 are right as far as dogs at pounds, you find beautiful yorkies that have been abused and dropped off at animal shelters because of the irresponsible owners..

ANYONE that brings puppies into the world is contributing to the pet population and is therefor contributing to the millions being euthanized. That is all breeders - puppymills, BYBs, hobby breeder, irresponsible pet owners & show breeders. However, like I said before...obviously we want to continue having purebred dogs so some must be produced. If someone is breeding, they need to have a good reason for doing so - such as breeding to preserve the breed. Only those breeding quality, healthy dogs should be breeding. Everyone else is only harming the breed and dogs in general...those people shouldn't be breeding. If no one bred to the standard, we wouldn't have purebred dogs...none of them would look the same so they wouldn't really be a breed anymore. A breed is consistent in looks... dogs being bred that don't meet the standard are not. If someone doesn't care whether or not their dogs meets the standard, ADOPT! There are plenty of dogs out there...of all ages (puppies - seniors), of all breeds & mixes, of all hair types, of all personalities, etc.

Right on!!!(My Fair Lacy):thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: