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Mardelin 12-31-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1637202)
CHAPTER 3 REGISTRATION

SECTION 6. No litter of purebred dogs and/or no
single purebred dog which shall be determined by The
American Kennel Club to be acceptable in all other
respects for registration, shall be barred from registration
because of the failure, by the legal owner of all or part of
said litter, or said single dog to obtain some one or more
of the signatures needed to complete the applicant’s chain
of title to the litter or dog sought to be registered, unless
that person who, when requested, refuses to sign the
application form shall furnish a reason therefor satisfacto-
ry to The American Kennel Club, such as the fact that at
the time of service an agreement in writing was made
between the owner of the sire and the owner or lessee of
the dam to the effect that no application for registration
should be made and/or that the produce of such union
should not be registered. In all cases where such an
agreement in writing has been made, any person dispos-
ing of any of the produce of such union must secure from
the new owner a statement in writing that he received
such produce upon the understanding that it shall not be
registered. For the purpose of registering or refusing to
register purebred dogs The American Kennel Club will
recognize only such conditional sale or conditional stud
agreements affecting the registration of purebred dogs as
are in writing and are shown to have been brought to the
attention of the applicant for registration. The American
Kennel Club cannot recognize alleged conditional sale,
conditional stud or other agreements not in writing which
affect the registration of purebred dogs, until after the
existence, construction and/or effect of the same shall
have been determined by an action at law.
The owner or owners of a stud dog purebred and eli-
gible for registration who in print or otherwise asserts
or assert it to be purebred and eligible for registration
and on the strength of such assertion secures or per-
mits its use at stud, must pay the cost of its registra-
tion. The owner or owners of a brood bitch purebred
and eligible for registration who in print or otherwise
asserts or assert it to be purebred and eligible for reg-
istration and on the strength of such assertion leases it
or sells its produce or secures the use of a stud by
promising a puppy or puppies as payment of the stud
fee in lieu of cash, must pay the cost of its registration.
That person or those persons refusing without cause
to sign the application form or forms necessary for the
registration of a litter of purebred dogs or of a single
purebred dog and that person or those persons refusing
without cause to pay the necessary fees due from him,
her or them to be paid in order to complete the chain of
title to a purebred litter or a purebred single dog sought
to be registered, when requested by The American
Kennel Club, may be suspended from the privileges of
The American Kennel Club or fined as the Board of
Directors of The American Kennel Club may elect.
The registration of a single purebred dog out of a lit-
ter eligible for registration may be secured by its legal
owner as a one-dog litter registration and the balance
of the litter may be refused registration where the
breeder or the owner or lessee of the dam at the date
of whelping wrongfully has refused to register the litter
and that person or those persons so wrongfully refus-
ing shall be suspended from the privileges of The
American Kennel Club or fined as the Board of
Directors of The American Kennel Club may elect.

what did you not understand here...it plainly reads NO ONE can register a litter without the others signature...UNLESS you signed contact.

Unless there was a court case and/or a contract there is no way that she could have registered these pups without your signing the litter registration papers.

YorkieRose 12-31-2007 03:01 PM

Akc
 
So what you are saying is..I have no "pull" with AKC? LOL

I have known far too many of these situations and it is good for a novice or foggy brains to see it in print...
I do know of several breeders who refused to sign papers when they suppected the pups were not from their stud etc....one was okay with AKC because the litter was a Maltese mix (bitch owner has a Maltese male) and she was told the litter would not be accepted, plus she was within her rights to keep the stud fee since the service was provided and the bitch owner was at fault for accidently breeding...

BUT when another breeder discovered she had been lied to about where the pups were being placed she refused to sign...they had a signed contract and AKC told stud owner to sign or be suspended..she signed.

txshopper73 12-31-2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1635758)
If everyone just did what they wanted with the breed (which many do..which is why so many dogs are out of standard) there wouldn't be a Yorkshire Terrier anymore...you'd have so many sizes, colors, hair types, body types, etc. that no one would even know what to look for anymore. There has to be group set standards and ethics and that's what the YTCA does. Not only do they set the standard, they set ethical guidelines for breeders - many of these ethics such as not allowing for "teacups" or letting pups go before 12 weeks is for the health and safety of the dogs

I agree.

lisatodd 12-31-2007 03:45 PM

i cannot get passed the part where this breeder (op) did not know what ytca is. how could a yorkie breeder not know?????

lisatodd 12-31-2007 03:49 PM

i also wanted to ask this of the op.....who's puppies are these? yours or elvis yorkies? what is your association with elvis?

lisatodd 12-31-2007 03:51 PM

one other question....
you have ytca on your website and you didn't know what it is?

this was copied from your site

Do Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Exist?
This is where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many show breeders have been very deceptive in an attempt to confuse the general public.

If one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as a dog breed the answer is NO, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO NOT EXIST.

The answer is YES, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO EXIST if one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as an extra small Yorkshire Terrier where teacup or extra small are meant as adjectives describing the noun Yorkshire Terrier. Just as AKC Yorkshire Terriers, Female Yorkshire Terriers, Champion Yorkshire Terriers, Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers, Blue and Gold Yorkshire Terriers, and Etc. exist.

This is a section of an article on the YTCA website:

BamaFan121s 12-31-2007 03:53 PM

I believe that sometimes she has Elvis Yorkshires list her pups for sale on their site...?

BamaFan121s 12-31-2007 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1638012)
one other question....
you have ytca on your website and you didn't know what it is?
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Hmm...interesting...

Mardelin 12-31-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1638012)
one other question....
you have ytca on your website and you didn't know what it is?

this was copied from your site

Do Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Exist?
This is where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many show breeders have been very deceptive in an attempt to confuse the general public.

If one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as a dog breed the answer is NO, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO NOT EXIST.

The answer is YES, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO EXIST if one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as an extra small Yorkshire Terrier where teacup or extra small are meant as adjectives describing the noun Yorkshire Terrier. Just as AKC Yorkshire Terriers, Female Yorkshire Terriers, Champion Yorkshire Terriers, Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers, Blue and Gold Yorkshire Terriers, and Etc. exist.

This is a section of an article on the YTCA website:

Amazing and I'll say it again Teacups come with saucers, not with tails.

Reputable breeders do not sell their tinies or if they do, they don't raise the price because they are small....but, place them in an approved home that is familiar with the care of these wee ones.....why would we sell heartache......

Mardelin 12-31-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1638023)
Hmm...interesting...

The bus is rolling along again

Mardelin 12-31-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nlappegard (Post 1636535)
i did report them but when your above all politics take over and your name makes the diffence on what happens did you know if your champion male accidently bred a female the person would have the right to register the litter without you signiture according to AKC rules and regulations Chapter 3 section 6 and you wouldn't even recieve a stud fee. Or the right for them to give you a puppy back. This is what happened to me and I have had several people offer to finish my other male who has 6pts already but if this is the way things are i have no interest in this world of politics you could hire someone ring side to show your dog and if they are the right person your dog will win this is just the way it has been for me any ways. I don't live my life that way i would rather be home with all my babies and enjoy all the joy and happiness they have to give they are so much fun. they have unconditional love there is never a day that goes by that they haven't made me smile. I really appreciate all they have given me with out my babies i would be lost they give total fofilment in my life and a reason to live in this mixed up world we all live in


You might attempt to enter the UKC ring.....it's my understanding that there is no politics and much easier to Champion a dog there

feminvstr 12-31-2007 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1637886)
So what you are saying is..I have no "pull" with AKC? LOL

I have known far too many of these situations and it is good for a novice or foggy brains to see it in print...
I do know of several breeders who refused to sign papers when they suppected the pups were not from their stud etc....one was okay with AKC because the litter was a Maltese mix (bitch owner has a Maltese male) and she was told the litter would not be accepted, plus she was within her rights to keep the stud fee since the service was provided and the bitch owner was at fault for accidently breeding...

BUT when another breeder discovered she had been lied to about where the pups were being placed she refused to sign...they had a signed contract and AKC told stud owner to sign or be suspended..she signed.


LOL guess not Rose...I was looking for the words like "politics, influence" but gosh I couldnt find them anywhere...

:eek: the OP asking the who, what, when and where about the YTCA, alas, was just a ploy, she obviously knew, I bet it was a test for all of us to see if we are paying attention:eek: :)

bjh 12-31-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nlappegard (Post 1635273)
What Is Ytca Exactly? Are They A Part Of Akc? How Many People Does It Consist Of? Do They Take Votes From The Public On Matters Discussing The Changes They Make? Or It Is Just These People That Decide Out Of The Whole United States As To What A Yorkie Should Be And What Rules Should Be Follows?

It sort of reminds me of how our government is ran. A small group of people that really care make important decisions and give direction on how the Yorkshire Terrier should be. Everyone does not alway agree on everything but they try to work together for the betterment of the breed. There are also local breed clubs and kennel clubs that all work together. And just like in politics there might be a few bad apples but over all they do a great thing. We all have one thing in common....we love our Yorkies.

tiggerr36792 12-31-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1638331)
LOL guess not Rose...I was looking for the words like "politics, influence" but gosh I couldnt find them anywhere...

:eek: the OP asking the who, what, when and where about the YTCA, alas, was just a ploy, she obviously knew, I bet it was a test for all of us to see if we are paying attention:eek: :)

Hahahaha thats hilarious!!

cj125 12-31-2007 08:07 PM

Now in all fairness here's the whole page...
 
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Teacup Yorkies or Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Do They Exist?

This is a question that keeps coming up because of a lot of deceptive information distributed by the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many Show Breeders.
Do Teacup Yorkies Exist?

The answer to this question is technically NO. The reason being that Yorkie is a slang term for Yorkshire Terrier and AKC only recognizes the Yorkshire Terrier. There is no Yorkie Breed. Now if you accept that Yorkie can be used interchangeably with Yorkshire Terrier then you need to read further.
Do Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Exist?

This is where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many show breeders have been very deceptive in an attempt to confuse the general public.
If one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as a dog breed the answer is NO, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO NOT EXIST.
The answer is YES, TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIERS DO EXIST if one is referring to a Teacup Yorkshire Terrier as an extra small Yorkshire Terrier where teacup or extra small are meant as adjectives describing the noun Yorkshire Terrier. Just as AKC Yorkshire Terriers, Female Yorkshire Terriers, Champion Yorkshire Terriers, Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers, Blue and Gold Yorkshire Terriers, and Etc. exist.
This is a section of an article on the YTCA website:
"An Important Message About "Teacup" Yorkies"
"If you are interested in purchasing a tiny Yorkie, sometimes called a Teacup, Micro Mini, Teenie, or any other name that means "extra small", there are several things you should consider. The YTCA's Code of Ethics precludes the use of the words "teacup", "tiny specialists", doll faced, or similar terminology by its members, and for good reason."
Three things are interesting from this section:
1. They broke their own code of ethics in the first sentence by using "tiny Yorkie".
2. They are only concerned about adjectives that mean extra small but yet they threw in the word doll face, which has nothing to do with size. I will go into detail about YTCA's code of Ethics in the article, The How and Why's of the Deceptive Practices of YTCA and many Show Breeders.
3. They are acknowledging that the people using the terms Teacup, Micro Mini, Teenie, and etc. are using the terms as adjectives modifying the noun Yorkie and are not tying to imply a new Yorkshire Terrier Breed as many show breeders profess.
Personally, I don't know of a single breeder that ever thought that a Teacup Yorkie was another breed of Yorkshire Terriers and I know that whenever I'm talking to someone and I sense that they think that a Teacup Yorkie is a different breed than the Yorkshire Terrier I try to educate them on the facts.
For the publics sake, the ethical and professional way to handle any misunderstandings about the term Teacup Yorkshire Terrier could have been as simple as stating:
TEACUP YORKSHIRE TERRIER, MINIATURE YORKSHIRE TERRIER, AND ETC. REFERS TO A SMALLER THAN USUAL YORKSHIRE TERRIER AND IS NOT A NEW YORKSHIRE TERRIER BREED.


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cj125 12-31-2007 08:44 PM

Oops... sorry I didn't realize it would post like that. :eek:

I would like to ask the OP one question though. Could you please tell me how you were able to get one of CH This Time Major League at Dundry's pups? I know this breeder and can't imagine her allowing anyone to use one of her dogs to breed for NON-standard Yorkshire Terrriers! I'd really like to know. And the way you put down show breeders I'm curious as to why you'd want so many of their dogs in your pedigree? Just wondering... :rolleyes:

PrestigeousYT 12-31-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1638832)
Oops... sorry I didn't realize it would post like that. :eek:

I would like to ask the OP one question though. Could you please tell me how you were able to get one of CH This Time Major League at Dundry's pups? I know this breeder and can't imagine her allowing anyone to use one of her dogs to breed for NON-standard Yorkshire Terrriers! I'd really like to know. And the way you put down show breeders I'm curious as to why you'd want so many of their dogs in your pedigree? Just wondering... :rolleyes:



Thats interesting

Deana
Prestigeous

Mardelin 12-31-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1638832)
Oops... sorry I didn't realize it would post like that. :eek:

I would like to ask the OP one question though. Could you please tell me how you were able to get one of CH This Time Major League at Dundry's pups? I know this breeder and can't imagine her allowing anyone to use one of her dogs to breed for NON-standard Yorkshire Terrriers! I'd really like to know. And the way you put down show breeders I'm curious as to why you'd want so many of their dogs in your pedigree? Just wondering... :rolleyes:

Connie

PM me and I'll tell you how it happened. I have it from our breeder

Mary

tiggerr36792 12-31-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1638832)
Oops... sorry I didn't realize it would post like that. :eek:

I would like to ask the OP one question though. Could you please tell me how you were able to get one of CH This Time Major League at Dundry's pups? I know this breeder and can't imagine her allowing anyone to use one of her dogs to breed for NON-standard Yorkshire Terrriers! I'd really like to know. And the way you put down show breeders I'm curious as to why you'd want so many of their dogs in your pedigree? Just wondering... :rolleyes:

Did you realize when you copied your previous post off her website you should have read this which is also on her website.

All pictures and content of this website are property of Natalie's Wee Little Yorkie's and may not be copied under any circumstances.

She also does not hate show breeders, she just had a really bad experience and choosen to stay out of it right now.

Mardelin 12-31-2007 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1638917)
Did you realize when you copied your previous post off her website you should have read this which is also on her website.

All pictures and content of this website are property of Natalie's Wee Little Yorkie's and may not be copied under any circumstances.

She also does not hate show breeders, she just had a really bad experience and choosen to stay out of it right now.

What was posted off her site was not entirely hers as she took part of it off the YTCA website.....

wjflintstone 01-01-2008 12:48 PM

Unbelivable
 
I would just like to ask how many of you actually know Natalie of Natalies Wee little Yorkies? I am astounded to read some of the comments about a person who many of you would be very blessed to actually know. I would like to tell you a little about her. Natalie sold me my first two Yorkies, and I can tell you she is one of the best breeders I have ever met. First of all she talks to you and makes sure you are right for this breed, whether you want a xtra small dog or not, before she sells you a pup. I have bought all my breeders from her and have been to her house several times to pick up my pups. There are no cages or kennels or crates for that matter to be found in her home. When she answered the front door for me she was escorted by what seemed to be a large choir of yorkies. Her Home is spotless and smells fresh as a daisy, you would never know she had a dog if you didnt see them all around you. She is this larger than life tiny woman who makes you dizzy with all she does while she is trying to visit with you. She knows every dog by name and will be happy to have them show you all of their talents. She literally lives for her dogs and everything she does is either about them or for them. When my first female was starting to whelp, in the middle of the night I called her for advise and she stayed on the phone helping me until the last pup was born and suckling. Natalie has the biggest heart and would never put down a soul she didnt know, even if she knew they were in the wrong. If any of you ever want to know anything about her just email me, I will give you the truth about it. I could go on and on about this spunky little lady but I need to take care of my own yorkies now...thanks for listening.

tiggerr36792 01-01-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wjflintstone (Post 1640036)
I would just like to ask how many of you actually know Natalie of Natalies Wee little Yorkies? I am astounded to read some of the comments about a person who many of you would be very blessed to actually know. I would like to tell you a little about her. Natalie sold me my first two Yorkies, and I can tell you she is one of the best breeders I have ever met. First of all she talks to you and makes sure you are right for this breed, whether you want a xtra small dog or not, before she sells you a pup. I have bought all my breeders from her and have been to her house several times to pick up my pups. There are no cages or kennels or crates for that matter to be found in her home. When she answered the front door for me she was escorted by what seemed to be a large choir of yorkies. Her Home is spotless and smells fresh as a daisy, you would never know she had a dog if you didnt see them all around you. She is this larger than life tiny woman who makes you dizzy with all she does while she is trying to visit with you. She knows every dog by name and will be happy to have them show you all of their talents. She literally lives for her dogs and everything she does is either about them or for them. When my first female was starting to whelp, in the middle of the night I called her for advise and she stayed on the phone helping me until the last pup was born and suckling. Natalie has the biggest heart and would never put down a soul she didnt know, even if she knew they were in the wrong. If any of you ever want to know anything about her just email me, I will give you the truth about it. I could go on and on about this spunky little lady but I need to take care of my own yorkies now...thanks for listening.

Great post about a wonderful lady who has become my friend also!!!
I have several of her dogs myself and not one of them has ever and I mean ever been sick! It absolutely appauls me to see how many people have come on here and attacked her without knowing a thing about her.

cj125 01-01-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1638832)
Oops... sorry I didn't realize it would post like that. :eek:

I would like to ask the OP one question though. Could you please tell me how you were able to get one of CH This Time Major League at Dundry's pups? I know this breeder and can't imagine her allowing anyone to use one of her dogs to breed for NON-standard Yorkshire Terrriers! I'd really like to know. And the way you put down show breeders I'm curious as to why you'd want so many of their dogs in your pedigree? Just wondering... :rolleyes:


I'm still waiting for an answer from the OP.

tiggerr36792 01-01-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1640465)
I'm still waiting for an answer from the OP.

This might answer your question: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=109675

cj125 01-01-2008 03:44 PM

Do Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Exist?
This is where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many show breeders have been very deceptive in an attempt to confuse the general public.

It doesn't sound like she likes them too much here Debbie. At least that's the impression I got.

Also, the subject here is that she acted like she didn't know what YTCA meant... when obviously she does. :confused:

I don't doubt that she loves her dogs and that she takes good care of them. That was never an issue.

tiggerr36792 01-01-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1640488)
Do Teacup Yorkshire Terriers Exist?
This is where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America and many show breeders have been very deceptive in an attempt to confuse the general public.

It doesn't sound like she likes them too much here Debbie. At least that's the impression I got.

Also, the subject here is that she acted like she didn't know what YTCA meant... when obviously she does. :confused:

I don't doubt that she loves her dogs and that she takes good care of them. That was never an issue.


She copied that from a friends website and read it wrong, so my appologies cause I also had rebuilt her website to have that link and have since re-read it and removed it from her website. She knows what it means, but she would have to be the one who tells us what she was trying to ask when she posted that.

I know she has a terrible experience with a handler who royally screwed her over and isn't fond of the whole situation, but has many show dogs herself. Heck she even has shown some of them herself.

shelbysmom 01-01-2008 04:16 PM

I do not know Natalie but I looked at her website and I think her puppies are adorable.

That being said, I think her goal is to breed and sell pricey tiny puppies which is against the YTCA ethics code. http://www.ytca.org/ethics.html People come to YT for advise when they are doing research so it is up to us to warn about this practice.

Another concern I have is that most of her posts regard selling puppies or discussing the pups she is selling. It makes one wonder if her purpose in being here is to sell her puppies, period.

And last, if she has been breeding for all of those years, she knows what YTCA is and the question was posted as bait to cause controversy which I think is against YT rules?

BamaFan121s 01-01-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wjflintstone (Post 1640036)
I would just like to ask how many of you actually know Natalie of Natalies Wee little Yorkies?

I believe that someone posted earlier who'd actually obtained a dog from her...

MyFairLacy 01-01-2008 07:10 PM

Even if you are only using the word "teacup" as an adjective, why do it? We all know that most people are very uneducated when it comes to dog breeds and many people truly believe there is a teacup yorkshire terrier...many yorkie buyers buy these puppies without ever researching the breed. A lot of yorkie buyers think there is are standard yorkshire terriers, mini yorkshire terriers, toy yorkshire terriers, teacup yorkshire terriers,etc...knowing this, how can you continue to use adjectives like those to describe the dogs, knowing that you are continueing to confuse the public and perpetuate the "teacup" myth? A Yorkshire Terrier is a toy breed. It's one thing to use the adjectives "champion", "black and gold", etc...as they are describing something factual...champion is a title acheived; black and gold is an accurate description of color. "Teacup" or "Teapot" or any other word like that is term that has no meaning...there is no real standard for a "teacup" yorkie...technically someone could have a 15lb yorkie and call it a "teacup" if they wanted to because there is no standard that says a "teacup" yorkie has to be a certain size...is it 1lbs, 2lbs and under, 3lbs and under, 4lbs or under...different "teacup" breeders give you a different definition on what a "teacup" is..and techinally no one would be lying as there is no standard that defines what a "teacup" would be. The only thing using an adjective like "teacup" does is continue to confuse the public

JaLaYorkieGirl 01-01-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1638917)
Did you realize when you copied your previous post off her website you should have read this which is also on her website.

All pictures and content of this website are property of Natalie's Wee Little Yorkie's and may not be copied under any circumstances.

She also does not hate show breeders, she just had a really bad experience and choosen to stay out of it right now.

This is a bit off topic...and I have never posted here before but I am sorry I find this a bit interesting as "her" information on hypoglycemia was taken right from our website...I know...I wrote it! I believe it is also copied onto your site...

Jackie
JaLa Yorkies


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