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Mom2BabyNatalie 12-12-2007 10:05 AM
"Fundraiser Puppies"
 
:( I'm not quite sure how I feel about "no name fundrasier puppies"... but... they all need a home....

Found this on petfinder.com ... they're adorable babies...

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/...?petid=9861686

BubblPopElectrc 12-12-2007 10:08 AM
If it's a legit shelter, I don't see what's wrong with it.

I think it would be common sense that a purebred toy puppy would have a higher adoption fee than an adult large mixed breed.

scoobiedooiscoo 12-12-2007 10:16 AM
boy they sure are cute:)i hope it is legit.

livingdustmops 12-12-2007 01:08 PM
I am opposed to animals being used as fundraisers as they are living creatures and not a glass jar. A reputable breeder will want to know where her puppies go and I feel strongly that people should take the time to understand what their breed is like before they purchase. In this case, maybe they are using the wrong verbage and will just be asking for more money than normal (ok with me) but as I looked at this rescue's site they had a hugh number of young dogs. This seems very odd to me as most rescues have a lot of older dogs or ill dogs. A good rescue doesn't use the cuteness of new puppies to raise funds as this one is doing with at least 2 different litters. They have very few older dogs....

GAOMariposa 12-12-2007 01:37 PM
But they are still super cute. To bad they're not anywhere near me, if not, I would definetly get one.

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 1602217)
I am opposed to animals being used as fundraisers as they are living creatures and not a glass jar. A reputable breeder will want to know where her puppies go and I feel strongly that people should take the time to understand what their breed is like before they purchase. In this case, maybe they are using the wrong verbage and will just be asking for more money than normal (ok with me) but as I looked at this rescue's site they had a hugh number of young dogs. This seems very odd to me as most rescues have a lot of older dogs or ill dogs. A good rescue doesn't use the cuteness of new puppies to raise funds as this one is doing with at least 2 different litters. They have very few older dogs....
I believe these dogs were born to a yorkie that was rescued and pregnant...not to a breeder. They are cute puppies. I think it's understandable to charge more for a purebred puppy as they are much more adoptable than an older, mixed breed dog. Rescues can incur so many vet bills to make them healthy and able to be put up for adoption. I don't see a problem with it. Cute puppies

FL Tink 12-12-2007 03:08 PM
did i miss where the money was going to?

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FL Tink (Post 1602574)
did i miss where the money was going to?
It said they were charging a higher adoption fee for these puppies so the money could go to help their less adoptable dogs

love_me_cody 12-12-2007 04:08 PM
Are they going to spay/neuter the puppies at 8wks?! If they are a rescue, shouldn't they know that they aren't helping the puppies by neutering them so early? But makes a higher risk to health issues? I may be mistaken....

mizzwanned 12-12-2007 04:30 PM
They are cute but they are going to spay/neuter them at 2 months old????!? Isn't that too young?

grayxie 12-12-2007 04:47 PM
The whole pretense of selling puppies as a fundraiser, just doesn't float well with me. I think if they just said 'purebreed yorkies available for adoption' is enough to spark interest.

Ladymom 12-12-2007 05:00 PM
What a poor choice of words, huh? Most rescues charge more for puppies and young adults because they are so adoptable, but it's in poor taste to call them "fundraisers" IMO.

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1602776)
Are they going to spay/neuter the puppies at 8wks?! If they are a rescue, shouldn't they know that they aren't helping the puppies by neutering them so early? But makes a higher risk to health issues? I may be mistaken....
It's a common practice with shelters and rescues. There is a law in Texas I know that shelters and rescues can only adopt out spayed/neutered dogs and cats. So having these pups altered this early ensures they are spayed and neutered before they go to their homes. A lot of vets are spaying and neutering earlier now...I've seen 10 weeks if at least 2lbs. I've also seen 12 weeks, and then several start at 16 weeks. Of course there are still some vets that stick to the old fashioned 6 month rule though. I don't see a problem with early spaying and neutering. I think it's better to make sure they are spayed and neutered before they are adopted.

BubblPopElectrc 12-12-2007 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1602776)
Are they going to spay/neuter the puppies at 8wks?! If they are a rescue, shouldn't they know that they aren't helping the puppies by neutering them so early? But makes a higher risk to health issues? I may be mistaken....
What are the health issues of early spaying?

SladesMommy 12-12-2007 07:33 PM
I don't like their wording, but otherwise I think the ad is okay.

It is perfectly fine to alter pups that young, and a good rescue would do so. In fact I think its very irresponsible for any shelter, rescue, or breeder to let their dogs go home unaltered.

livingdustmops 12-12-2007 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1602562)
I believe these dogs were born to a yorkie that was rescued and pregnant...not to a breeder. They are cute puppies. I think it's understandable to charge more for a purebred puppy as they are much more adoptable than an older, mixed breed dog. Rescues can incur so many vet bills to make them healthy and able to be put up for adoption. I don't see a problem with it. Cute puppies
Maybe I am reading this differently than you but I think the breeder is using this "rescue" to place her older bitches. For all I know they are the breeders..it has happened before - they use rescue as a cover. They are also letting these pups go with only their 1st shots. This rescue also has another litter that was donated, how often does that happen? Trust me I understand about the costs of rescue as I was very involved with Yorkie rescue in Arizona.

"These puppies were born 10-17-07. I plan on getting them spayed and neutered on 12-17-07. There are 3 girls and 3 boys in the litter. We were very lucky to have somebody that we have helped to place some of her adult dogs donate this litter to our group. THEY WILL BE FUND RAISER puppies which means they will have a much higher adoption fee. The funds that our group raises from puppies like these is what will help up to help the NOT SO adoptable dogs and puppies. They have their 1st shot along with their Bordetella shot so they are protected against kennel cough. "

SladesMommy 12-12-2007 07:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 1603256)
Maybe I am reading this differently than you but I think the breeder is using this "rescue" to place her older bitches. For all I know they are the breeders..it has happened before - they use rescue as a cover. "

Good Point. I have seen it before too, and its horrible :thumbdown

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 1603256)
Maybe I am reading this differently than you but I think the breeder is using this "rescue" to place her older bitches. For all I know they are the breeders..it has happened before - they use rescue as a cover. They are also letting these pups go with only their 1st shots. This rescue also has another litter that was donated, how often does that happen? Trust me I understand about the costs of rescue as I was very involved with Yorkie rescue in Arizona.

"These puppies were born 10-17-07. I plan on getting them spayed and neutered on 12-17-07. There are 3 girls and 3 boys in the litter. We were very lucky to have somebody that we have helped to place some of her adult dogs donate this litter to our group. THEY WILL BE FUND RAISER puppies which means they will have a much higher adoption fee. The funds that our group raises from puppies like these is what will help up to help the NOT SO adoptable dogs and puppies. They have their 1st shot along with their Bordetella shot so they are protected against kennel cough. "
Hmm..I don't know :confused: Strange situation

livingdustmops 12-12-2007 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1603273)
Hmm..I don't know :confused: Strange situation

They may be a rescue but I certainly didn't like the way they held the other "fundraiser" litter pups up in the air ... almost like an auction would. A reputable rescue would also make darn sure these pups were totally vaccinated.

love_me_cody 12-12-2007 08:12 PM
http://www.littleriverlabs.com/neuter.htm

I just think that they should wait till they are older to neuter them... They have a set date of 2months old. They should be letting them go to their new home after 12wks, right? So why not wait to the latest time to get them fixed? Why not wait til week 12? Even if it is a law, they can still do it at a later date to 'lower' the risk then at 8wks.... And it's like... if it really is such a great idea then shouldn't we encourage everyone who will fix their dog to do it earlier then the recommended 6-8months.... I don't know, to me it just doesn't make since. And if someone who adopted them doesn't spay their adopted dog at a 'healthier recommended time' then you should be able to take the dog back/fine them....

SladesMommy 12-12-2007 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1603355)
http://www.littleriverlabs.com/neuter.htm

I just think that they should wait till they are older to neuter them... They have a set date of 2months old. They should be letting them go to their new home after 12wks, right? So why not wait to the latest time to get them fixed? Why not wait til week 12? Even if it is a law, they can still do it at a later date to 'lower' the risk then at 8wks.... And it's like... if it really is such a great idea then shouldn't we encourage everyone who will fix their dog to do it earlier then the recommended 6-8months.... I don't know, to me it just doesn't make since. And if someone who adopted them doesn't spay their adopted dog at a 'healthier recommended time' then you should be able to take the dog back/fine them....
Many of the modern vets DO recommend pediatric altering! NO dog that is being adpted out needs to be adopted out unaltered. I think the complience rates on altering contracts is something like 30%. Rescues are in the business of finding homes for unwanted animals, it would make NO sense for them to be sent out unaltered, increasing the chance that the will create more unwanted puppies.

love_me_cody 12-12-2007 08:26 PM
I understand that and I wasn't questioning that.... I was talking about how they could wait longer than 8wks to alter the puppies... They will be adopted out later so why not neuter later also? even if it's by a few weeks, atleast it will be longer than 8wks...

I was not talking about if a puppy/dog should be altered or not! *sigh*.. lmbao

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 09:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1603355)
http://www.littleriverlabs.com/neuter.htm

I just think that they should wait till they are older to neuter them... They have a set date of 2months old. They should be letting them go to their new home after 12wks, right? So why not wait to the latest time to get them fixed? Why not wait til week 12? Even if it is a law, they can still do it at a later date to 'lower' the risk then at 8wks.... And it's like... if it really is such a great idea then shouldn't we encourage everyone who will fix their dog to do it earlier then the recommended 6-8months.... I don't know, to me it just doesn't make since. And if someone who adopted them doesn't spay their adopted dog at a 'healthier recommended time' then you should be able to take the dog back/fine them....
Many vets spay and neuter early now. It's mostly your older vets that continue to spay and neuter at 6 months because that's the traditional thing to do. I have never told anyone on this site to wait until 6 months to spay or neuter their dog. I usually say the earlier the better (esp. for the males). The only time I've ever recommended waiting longer was when someone was already at 6 months and their dog was under 2lbs, teething late, or had retained testicles (told them to wait a couple more months to see if they'd drop on their own). Otherwise I've always said if I had a male, I'd neuter between 12 and 16 weeks and female I'd spay between 16 weeks and 5 months (although I'm not opposed to doing it earlier). Yes, 8 weeks honestly seems a little young. I think it would probably be okay to wait until 10 or 12 weeks and then adopt them out after that, but if they are adopting them out ASAP then go ahead and spay/neuter at 8 weeks. I don't think spaying and neutering early really has that much effect on them growing...maybe it does somewhat in larger breeds, but I doubt it in our tiny yorkies

love_me_cody 12-12-2007 10:11 PM
I have a question (that's off the subject)... If you neuter early, what happens to their testicles (I'm not talking about the obvious :) ) but what really happens? will they not be able to have undescended testies? or do you have to wait until they are older to check and see if there was a teststicle that they didnt get? I'm confused about that...

MyFairLacy 12-12-2007 11:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1603527)
I have a question (that's off the subject)... If you neuter early, what happens to their testicles (I'm not talking about the obvious :) ) but what really happens? will they not be able to have undescended testies? or do you have to wait until they are older to check and see if there was a teststicle that they didnt get? I'm confused about that...
A dog's testicles should be in the scrotum by about 6 weeks of age, although some drop later than that...some MUCH later or never at all. But most are in the scrotum by 6-8weeks of age. When you neuter a dog, you actually remove the testicles and tie off the spermatic chords. A vet will remove both testicles in a neuter. If they haven't dropped by the time of a neuter, they will have to search inside of the abdomen (like in a spay) and find the retained testicle. Neutering early should be no different than a neuter on an older dog

Ladymom 12-13-2007 04:24 AM
I think the main reason many vets like to wait until six months to spay or neuter a toy breed is that then they can also remove any baby teeth that may be retained at the same time. If they neuter or spay earlier, it will require a second procedure to remove the teeth, doubling the cost and the risk from anesthesia.

sassyfire1956 12-19-2007 05:14 PM
tHEY WAIT FOR THE TEETH, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO PUT THEM UNDER MORE THAN THEY HAVE TO!
tHERE WERE 6- i DO NOT THINK A VET WOULD DO IT IF HE THOUGHT THEY WERE TO SMALL!- tHE LADY TOLD ME THEY WERE GOINGTO BE TAKEN TO wEBSTER gROVES, WHICH IS A NICE AREA IN sTl- i AM SURE IT WAS A GOOD VET- THAT KNEW THAT THEY WERE OK TO GO AHEAD AND FIX!

Myzzbrat 12-19-2007 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 1602217)
I am opposed to animals being used as fundraisers as they are living creatures and not a glass jar. A reputable breeder will want to know where her puppies go and I feel strongly that people should take the time to understand what their breed is like before they purchase. In this case, maybe they are using the wrong verbage and will just be asking for more money than normal (ok with me) but as I looked at this rescue's site they had a hugh number of young dogs. This seems very odd to me as most rescues have a lot of older dogs or ill dogs. A good rescue doesn't use the cuteness of new puppies to raise funds as this one is doing with at least 2 different litters. They have very few older dogs....
I agree with you.. I think that it is pitiful and selfish for them to try and scam innocent families and people.. They know they will get the monies because they are stating it is a fundraiser.. Well how is anyone for sure.. Plus to me it sounds these possibly are puppymill pups.


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