THis link will take you to a site that had puppies born here in the U.S. but they are not showing the white - I think they are considered an F1 hybrid through the BYA....am I getting to techinical? Sorry - I've been looking into all of this quite a bit! :)

http://www.geocities.com/class_act_kennel//index.html

Not at all. You're being perfectly clear. :)
They are so dark, barely any white, it seems so off from the Biewer standard.
I wonder what the dogs will look like in three generations.
Again thanks for the info. It is very interesting.

Ok, I went back and read their info. again. It does say the F1 crosses will be solid in color due to genetics.

Last November at the Show Of Shows held at Montreal , I saw 3 Yorkies with their full tails . 2 of them received championship points .

These dogs were very beautiful .

Marianna:

I wanted to say hello and welcome. I enjoyed reading your posts. It is always fun to get the perspective from another country. I understand the controversy over docking tails, especially if it is done later in life when it is painful, and I understand the history of it, to prevent potential tail injury later with "working dogs".

There is a movement in this country to stop the practice. In fact, I believe it is Los Angeles or Beverly Hills or somewhere like that is trying to pass a law "banning all cosmetic surgery" on animals. At first, I thought it was funny because I was picturing people taking their animals in for face lifts or something, but now I understand what they are saying. They want to stop any surgery alteration done for purely aesthetic reasons.

I hope you become a frequest visitor to the site. We welcome your input!

That's nice to hear that in Canada dogs who normally have docked tails are able to win undocked. I do wish that 'frame of mind' would follow down here. But I don't see it happening any time soon.

I agree with the dogs winning with undocked tails where normally they wouldn't based on the country's standard. I myself would not mind if my yorkie and springers had their tails - I think they are pretty. It is nice to hear from other country's.

In Montreal , Canada , I saw 3 undocked tails Yorkies .

They were so cute with their plumed tails .

Sure it is different from what we are used to see but they truly have charm .

wow what a great thread I learned alot, Yorkierose I respect your ability to crop the tail yourself YIKES I cannot, I leave that to the vets.

The controversy is becoming louder in the US in "West Hollywood" I believe an ordinance was passed making tail docking and ear cropping illegal! Next thing we know they'll be a jail for dockers and croppers:)

Following up on this issue (what a great post btw), a good number of American dogs were unable to compete at the world dog show (FCI) last year because they were of the ear cropping/docking vein. We did have a lovely Aussie there though. They come naturally with bobbed tails! :rolleyes:

Fem - there is a movement all over the country to limit or bann dog breeding all together and as I am sure the posters to this thread know, there's a movment to make the dog fancy a thing of the past - all together. :(

Hey, have you heard that some judges in the U.S. wont put up a dog if its tail is docked too long? Forgive my nievity, but I thought judges were supposed to look past that? :confused:

WSAVA (world small animal veternarian association)
Tail Docking Position Statement; this is worth a read
http://www.wsava.org/Taildock.htm

I'd like to add an agility perspective here -

Chris Zink writes in her book "Jumping from A to Z," that dogs jump differently when they lose thier tails. She explains that the tail acts like a counter balance for the dog and helps the dog over the jump, change direction, and reduce the stress on his front end.

In fact, I think she may have also mentioned in her column from CLeanRun Magazine, Sally Sports Vet, that removing the dew claw is also disadvantageous as the when a dog runs, the hock flexes to such a degree that the dew claw actually comes in contact with the ground and gives the dog more grip, making it easier for the dog to turn and change direction.

I have heard that FCI will soon ban for good tail docking and ear cropping. If i'm not mistaking, in Brazil, CBKC will start banning it later in this year.

Fem:

Thanks for the link! Interesting article. I had heard that newborn puppies don't feel pain. They say they do. That makes a difference to me.

Yorkieagility: Your point about using the tail for balance makes sense as well.

If I have a choice in the mater, my next dog will not have a docked tail.

I am proudly owned by 2 female Biewers and 1 male-all with undocked tails. I am also proudly owned by a male AKC parti boy that has become the love of mommie's life since I had to have my heart-of-my-heart, Jesse, euthanized. My parti has a docked tail, shorter than I like but still longer than my female AKC blue/tan female piebald gene carrier whose tail is way too short!..I will breed these two when I am ready and I expect at least 50-50 partis. This prospect is so exciting-I have used very good lines for my standard colors and I am hoping to be as successful with getting good, healthy, well-socialized babies in these new colors. I am now owned by another off-color Yorkie and we shall see what we might do with them. What will I do if they are not to be bred? Love their wee selves as pets.
As for tail docking-I had them done at the vet only ONE time...Short tails, crying puppies and 1 totally unhappy human mom. I went to my mentor and said "Show me how to do this! I am a nurse and I know darned well I can do it better".. She did and I have docked my puppies' tails ever since. The babies screech at being turned on their back(that is how I hold them) away from mom. Dew claws are not the easiest thing to do with kicking babies on their backs, but that is also done with no cutting so no screaming in pain(except from me!)I turn the music up loud so the others do not hear me and I sing--you don't want to hear me sing! Maybe that is why puppies are so good-so I will stop singing. LOL I occasinally have a bleeder and if more than a couple of drops, on goes the styptic powder and the gauze and a wee dab of tea tree oil to keep mom from pulling the tape and licking the tail..
If anyone would like more discussion, feel free to PM me. I am not an expert on anything, but thanx to my mentor, I consider myself way ahead of where I might have been had I not taken a mentor..

LOL. I think you meant Yorkiepower - but same idea! Socal please see the post i put on the forum. BTW. Got your clickers packed and ready to go

Biewers
 

Whispersmom's has the cutiest little Biewer male. We must encourage her to post pic's in her Gallery. Gus-Gus and Crusier are the two cutiest male Biewers on here...and anywhere.

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Babbie...the AKC is not governed by the FCI, so I do not see them making it illegal in the near future. I would have no problem if everyone stopped...

Gus Gus and Cruiser are brothers! :D
We didn't know it until after I joined here.

This is a very interesting thread!!! I have a question, hope it doesn't sound too stupid. I was wondering if someone could explain to me what the ear would look like if it was cropped and how the procedure is done!!! To be honest, i have never heard of this and kinda wish i never did. I am just wondering if my boy had this done!!! His tail was docked and dewclaws were removed so who knows maybe he had this done too. :(

Dewclaws being removed & the docking of the tail are very common in the yorkie breed. Ear cropping is not done in this breed.

Oh Thank God !!!! :) I was hoping my babe wasn't put through that.Thanks for telling me !!! :)

You may not have heard of it but you've definity seen it. Most Dobermans and Schnauzers in this country have cropped ears.

I know that AKC doesn;t abide by the FCI standards...but if FCI does ban the docking/copping it will put breeder/showers in a difficult situation if AKC keeps it a necessity...they be only able to show at akc competitions or any other kennel club not affiliated to FCI.

I finally read the post that Gus and Cruiser are brothers. I didn't realize there wereso many posts on this thread so I didn't finish reading ALL of them...Da Cruise Man is way too cute and is still under 3 lbs.. But, we don't tell him he is NOT a Doberman..Matter of fact, we don't tell him he is not a hooman!!! His widdle feewins would be sooooo huwt!

YorkieRose and those who breed - If someone planned to purchase one of your puppies from you, would you agree to not dock their tail if that's what the owner wanted?

also, please post a picture of Cruiser!

The problem is that when the puppies are very young, a breeder cannot tell which ones will be show quality and which will be pets. Docking, if it’s going to be done, should be done at a young age. So the breeder winds up having to dock all the dogs tails

I, as a breeder, would NOT even consider allowing someone to visit my babies at 1-3 days of age. Selecting one at that age is unthinkable. So, I would have a litter whose tails I would dock. I LOVE really long tails so I dock them to a longer length than most vets do. When I have agreed to buy a litter from a breeder-friend, I ask that they have the tails really LONG. In WV it seems that they dock the tails about half the length that I like. So, no matter what I ask they still have shorter tails than I like..
As for pics of my lover boy, Cruiser. I have no idea how to post pics(I am almost embarrassed to say that I really don't have a lot of interest in learning--my bad!). One of my puppy pics was used in a scam--a scammer post a pic of Remi and didn't even bother to change the background which is my family room hardwood floor. Also, said she was expecting a litter of 4 who would look just like her boy. Turns out, she had NO dogs so she used foreign dogs' pics as parents...and so on. Needless to say, her butt is in a whole bunch of trouble..And, she was asking only $3500.00 to reserve your puppy!!! So, I will send pics to anyone who sends me their e-ail addy. I will give permission to post his pic.

Whispersmom
I am intersted in getting a Biewer in the next few months to a year or so. Erin (itspuppyluv) sent me pics of Gus Gus because I would like to have something to "compare" to my potential puppy. also, I just think they are the most adorable things in the world :)

My e-mail is kristynice at gmail dot com

Stewie's mom. I will send pics of Da Man soon to your e-mail addy..