Glosrun Breeder..FYI
 

I purchase my baby from this Breeder in Delmont PA, i searched on Yorkie Talk and found her mentioned in other threads, I would like to speak with any individuals who have looked into her, purchased from her or had any sort of dealings with her. PLEASE!

Here is the problem, a lot of things that didn't necessarily bother me about her when we got Vinnie in December bother me now. All, almost 100 dogs, are kept in cages in an outbuilding, now she did take me in there, and she had a cleaning system built in that washed the floors, it smelled like bleach, but I know another girl who got a dog there and she wouldn't even let her pick out the puppy, let alone go anywhere near the building. Someone else posted on here that she has close to 100 dogs, and i know she does, it's between 60 and 100, she gave us the xact number but I don't remember now. I've recently started thinking about getting Vinnie a sister and that's what brought all of this up, I don't think i would go back there except to spend the money and consider it a rescue. She can't manage all of those dogs, she's older, what happens to the dogs when she goes to her greater glory. I feel so guilty and yet at the time we got Vinnie I had not yet discovered YT, i've learned a lot since then, she operated for years before I knew about her. I don't know if i should do anything at all, but then if i do, what happens to all the dogs? Am i just paranoid? My husband just told me last night about a comment she made comparing them to CATTLE! Does this woman operate a puppy mill?

Personally, I would not go back. I just do not like to purchase from breeders that have THAT many dogs. This is what wikipedia encyclopedia says about mills/BYB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_mill

Puppy mills (known as puppy farms in the UK and Australia) are dog breeding operations that are considered by some to be disreputable and sometimes hazardous to the health of the animals due to the conditions of the breeding kennel. The term originated among critics of such operations. Small-scale operations where dogs do not receive adequate health care or good sanitation are usually called backyard breeding; the terms are akin but not synonymous. The largest concentrations in the USA are allegedly in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and rural Missouri.

Reputable breeders raise their animals in humane conditions, provide good socialization and often formal training, and adhere to the breed standard. They are knowledgeable about major health problems associated with their breed, and with the principles of genetics, frequently undertaking specific matings to produce or refine particular desirable characteristics in their dogs. They are also sensitive to the requirements of their breeding adults — who may also be breed or performance champions — and the puppies they produce. Reputable breeders frequently screen potential customers rigorously, and usually provide a pedigree and health guarantee with their puppies.

Although many responsible breeding operations tend to be small, size alone is not an indication that a particular operation is a puppy mill. Rather, puppy mills are characterized by ignoring duties that are standard among responsible dog breeders. They may keep their dogs in overcrowded, unclean or otherwise inappropriate surroundings. The puppies they produce may be improperly socialized or may suffer from health problems which are often not disclosed to purchasers. Their breeding animals may also suffer, with females sometimes forced to undergo repeated pregnancies too quickly to fully recuperate between them.

Puppy mill operators may misrepresent the breed of dog being sold, and adult puppy mill dogs may exhibit characteristics uncommon to their advertised breed. Unlike the puppies produced by reputable breeders, the vast majority of puppy mill animals are sold to pet stores. Puppy mill operators are frequently accused of being motivated only by profit rather than a commitment to the breed or any empathy for the animals in their care.

Purchasing dogs, especially those claimed to be purebred, from a pet store is strongly discouraged by reputable breeders and animal shelters. While many pet stores claim to purchase dogs from "local breeders" instead of puppy mills, this is often untrue or is a difference in name only, as reputable breeders generally do not sell animals to pet stores. The phrase "local breeder" may also refer to backyard breeders.

The U.S. state of Kansas has enacted a law to protect puppy mill owners by making it a felony to photograph a puppy mills and facilities.

I agree with txshopper....I would not go back there...If you purchase from her again and spend the money and consider it a rescue, you're not helping those dogs. You're helping keep her in business..That's just too many dogs, IMO, to be able to care for them all properly and give them the socialization that they need. I would definitely stay away from that place.
Find a reputable breeder to get your next baby from :)

That sounds just like puppy mills I have learned about. It's so sad. Thats too many dogs for a person to care for. Sorry!

Well, not really a rescue, guess i worded that wrong. I understand the keeping her in business thing, but at the same time those pups are already born and they need out! I don't know what to do, i can't get all those dogs and puppies out of my mind, i feel like i need to do something!

I wouldn't purchase from that kind of kennel simply because there is no way that one person can properly socialize that many pups. I have dogs that are from kennels and from smaller home based breeders and the latter are much better socialized and have an easier time adapting to my home.

i also have two now and a third coming from a smaller based kennel (25 dogs).

under the defination, i do not think she is a puppy mill but under that condition, (like the above have mentioned), they are not well socialized.

now you mentioned she has about 100 dogs. are they all the same breed? under the defination of a puppy mill, they usually breed many different breeds.

good luck to you

there are many people here on yt who have babies available. i would first contact them rather than going back to her.

glosrun
 

:animal36 I purchased a Yorkie male from Gloria Shank.She did take us back to see all the other dogs and we got our pick of 4 puppies.That was 10 yrs.ago.He is a beautiful dog but standard size for a yorkie is no more than 7 lbs.Dude is 10 lbs and my Vet said he is not fat.

I agree with you 100%. well said~[QUOTE=Ladyhawk;1189609]I wouldn't purchase from that kind of kennel simply because there is no way that one person can properly socialize that many pups. I have dogs that are from kennels and from smaller home based breeders and the latter are much better socialized and have an easier time adapting to my home.[/QUOTE]

:animal-paI know that you said she has about 100 dogs but she never seems to have any for sale not that i would buy from her anyway

Glos run
 

I purchased my yorkie GRACIE, from her three some yrs ago. I had NO IDEA that she had soooo many dogs. She just had her when we went. However Gracie is my baby, never had any problems w her. She reciently had two litters of her own( no im getting her fixed now)not starting in the puppy business. The two pups from the last litter were akc and the ppl that purchased them LOVE them. The puppies are raised IN MY HOME, IN MY LIVINGROOM, WITH MY FIVE KIDS.... I cannot imagine having 100 dogs in any conditions. no way can u care properly for them. These three i have for sale now ( one already sold) are ALOT OF care. My five kids are always playing, hold, loving on these puppy's. I am SOOOOO glad GRACIE ( THE MAMA ) turned out sooooo good from a situation like that.

Gloria is great!!!
 

:)We have bought 3 yorkies from Glosrun kennels in Delmont pa. Gloria is wonderful. Our dogs are older,one is 7, and two are 4, we have not had any health problems at all. We have recommended many people to Gloria. I got on the internet to look up her siteto purchase another one for a xmas gift for my sister and will only buy from her. I see that her site is not up and running anymore but will call her in the morning. I then stumbled on this forum. Like I said never a problem at all.

I also have a recuse dog lab mix and a golden. They all get along, but the one yorkie (4yr old) is the alpha dog and he runs the show and keeps everyone in line. Please if Gloria is still a breeder trust me go to her for yorkies, we will.

Again, an old thread being resurrected by a very new member with 2 posts, both in defense of a breeder.......Mmmmm ::rolleyes:

She's quoted in this article: Breeders dogged by Pennsylvania's new laws - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

She had no negative scores at the time, but we must remember Pennsylvania had some of the most lax laws on kennel conditions at the time. I can't imagine someone not passing. The bottom line is she's a commercial breeder, and why would you want to knowing purchase from a commercial breeder? Many of us are not only concerned about obtaining healthy dogs, we actually care about the breeding conditions of the breeding dogs. Please do not buy from a breeder unless you have personally visited their home. If you do not visit the home or kennel you are condoning the suffering of millions of dogs.

glosrun kennel
 

My husband is the biggest dog lover and yorkie lover you will ever find, he has been to Gloria's kennel many times. We stand behind her, we have the most lovable, healthy, happy yorkies thanks to Gloria.

The home page of her website is enough for me! Breeding is a "full time job," which says she makes her living off the backs of her dogs. She mentions teacups by saying she sells dogs 2lbs-10lbs. Also on her adult dog page, neither Yorkie female looks standard or well kept and she mentions that one mom is "very small," and the other as "very tiny." She registers some ckc & aca and has a kennel with that many dogs! Not a breeder I would ever consider, IMO.
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I bought a Yorkie frm Gloria 9 yrs ago I saw the whole place house and where she has the dogs.The place was very clean.She was very nice.

I still find it very strange that some that is new to YT comes on and pulls up a very old post in defense of a questionable breeder.

This breeder is a commercial breeder and as Nancy stated; PA does not have a very stringent rating system for breeders; it is one of the states that has a high volume of Puppy Mills.

To the person that is defending this breeder, it is your choice to frequent this type of breeder, however, we at YT work hard at educating against buying from this type of breeder.

Living off the backs of dogs is definately a big no, no.

:thumbup::thumbup:agreed. Let's say just for argument's sake, you have 100 dogs, now just how many loving assistants would you need to take care of these dogs. That is exercise daily, groom, feed, train, take to vet, love and socialize? Now this is a 24 7 operation. Maybe at nighttime just a skeleton staff, say two folks plus the business owner. Now to socialize to a home / house environment, how many houses would you need on your property? Oh let's not forget these houses should be lived in, with cooking, cleaning, and all the regular noises of a house. You'd still need a kennel, but I suppose you could rotate the litters in and out of the 3 houses. Now vet costs, boy that would be a big ticket item. Getting back to labour for a moment, let's say one person could care for 4dogs for 4 hours and another 4 for 4 hours. That makes eight dogs in an eight hour shift. 2 shifts 16 dogs in order to probably care for the 100 dogs, you would staff at 16 head count plus your night staff.

By now we are racking up the labour costs. Oh wait but of course commercial breeders have no where near that kind of manpower.

IMHO dogs do not belong in commercial breeding operations, no matter how well kept that kennel is. Dogs are NOT livestock. Their needs are way different. Dogs are destined for a family home, not the dinner table!

How big is your dog?I got a Yorkie there 9 yrs ago and his 9lb.My Vet said his not fat.Yorkies are not supposed to weigh on more than 7lbs

The standard states not to exceed 7 pounds. But, keep in mind this is for breeding and showing. It's not to say that from time to time an oversized or undersized yorkie will not be produced.

I do know this as i"ve seen bigger Yorkies than my Dude but just that I was a little disappointed.Gloria told me that he would be about 5 to 6 lbs.I also have a 31/2 lb female Yorkie and I sure didn't take the chance of buying from Gloria again.

By no means am I defending this person. However, a breeder can only guesstimate and should never guarantee what a final size a yorkie will be.

I've had big pups and birth that have turned out to be wee ones, and tinies end up to be on the larger end of the spectrum. 9 pounds is still small in the scope of things, the main thing is the dogs health and structure.

My husband and I bought our Yorkie from her 6 years ago, after we got married, and that was only because when we walked into her steel building with dogs on one side and horses on the other i was not leaving without taking one of the dogs. I do not consider it condoning her behavior, the dogs that were there would've been bought by someone else, atleast I know that I was going to give one a great home and love it unconditionally. I'm so thankful for Vinnie, and especially since the only problem he came home with was an ear infection, I got to know others who were not so lucky with the pups they brought home. I check on her website from time to time and I see that it's no longer operational, thank god, maybe it means she isn't operating anymore, I just wish I knew what happened to those poor dogs....

My husband and I bought our Yorkie from her 6 years ago, after we got married, and that was only because when we walked into her steel building with dogs on one side and horses on the other i was not leaving without taking one of the dogs. I do not consider it condoning her behavior, the dogs that were there would've been bought by someone else, atleast I know that I was going to give one a great home and love it unconditionally. I'm so thankful for Vinnie, and especially since the only problem he came home with was an ear infection, I got to know others who were not so lucky with the pups they brought home. I check on her website from time to time and I see that it's no longer operational, thank god, maybe it means shes not doing it

Puppy Mill Puppy Mill Puppy Mill. Sty cleat of this place.