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You are wrong, there are breeders that will refund $ and take their dog back, due to injury, or health issue, they are here on YT. I would state their names but I find you a little angry at the moment! I never refered to any health problems in my previous posts and the only time I mentioned $ was stating that it seems like that is all the breeder cares about. I still feel that way. I still think you need to do a little research, not on the person you are defending, but look around here in the breeders section and do a search on health issues and puppys being returned. I think you will find that the OP is entitled to her opinion and was doing the best that she could for her puppy and came here to learn from and lean on other yorkie lovers. That is what we are all about. Please stay look and learn, no one is here to judge you or fight with you, who knows you might come out of this with a few friends! |
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To address your statement of YOUR OPINION, You did say she should shut up, it is written in your post....also, I never called people liars, instead, I am giving the other side of the story, maybe you just didn't want to hear it or maybe you didn't read that part of my post?.....Speaking of RUDE, when this breeders SITE was criticized, by several, what gave them the right to do that, we all have rights here, but I am seeing that only certain opinions are ALLOWED. And as far as you telling me to stop posting about this matter, you must be the only one that has rights to "address" this matter, sorry your Honor!! Maybe taking some of your own advice, is advisable?? |
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I have no interest in looking up other breeders, I am sure that each has it's own situations they endure, my issue is not with them, however, I am sure there are wonderful breeders on this site...thank you however for the invitation to to learn from this group. I really think this issue should of been discussed and not been all accusations about someone. I find it interesting for sure. |
They may seem one sided because what the idea of YT boils down to is the love and care of yorkies. Sanjur might breed perfect yorkies, but once in a while things go wrong, maybe its not her fault, maybe it is. The reason that this topic got so heated is that there are a few things about her website and and practices that are kind of red flags. One being her sale prices, and the other, if it is true having so many dogs and keeping them in a barn of sorts. Now I have never been there, so I am not stating fact but if it is at all true, that is TOO many dogs to properly care for at once, not to mention breed them! The cost of flea prevention and heart worm prevention alone is staggering. There are health guarantees sometimes (should be all the time) when puppies are sold, now I understand that if an injury occurred under the new owners supervision that in no way is the breeder responsible for that, but a breeder should breed to better the yorkshire terrier breed not to turn a profit. I would have hoped that she would want to take her dog back and not sell or give another in return if there was thought to be neglect on the purchasers behalf. I have learned so much about this breed and its breeders after spending a while here on YT, it really is a valuable resource please dont close your mind to others, opinions are strong online and words are harsh but we can all learn from each other, maybe Sanjur can come on here and learn and share also. I know that if breeders didn't exist I wouldn't have the two joys of my life and I know Sanjur provides that for a lot of people in no way is that a bad thing, but sometimes a good thing that turns into mass production and "all babies must find homes" isnt good at all. |
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I totally understand that THINGS happen, and I know she has set up and in place, agreements with new owners on health issues that occur due to genetic health, however, this may have not come under that that agreement, however, it should of been discussed, only with the breeder, and demands not made and postings not made of accusations. I agree that things get carried away when someone jumps the gun, so to speak. She sold me puppies that were raised in her home, not in a barn. If her state check-ups are rated number one, why is this an issue with anyone on this topic? I will leave it up to Sanjur, to vocalize here if she wishes. At this point, I am sure that she will see a lot of negative statements, without facts to back them up.....Thank you for your reply, I most certainly will take your encouragement and view other breeder issues, when I have time to do so on YT, to further educate myself on these issues. Education is valuable. |
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THEN, I posted the above quoted post to clarify that I did NOT intend it to mean the breeder should shut up. But OBVIOUSLY (as you would say) you didn't bother to read and acknowledge that post.... instead you keep ranting about it. You may be an excellent breeder with the worlds most perfect dogs, but "Doth does protest too much" Like I said, I don't know, nor care who is at fault, it is just the rudeness that you have shown that turns me off. You will notice that I did not post in this thread at all to defend either the OP or the breeder BEFORE you came on here and so rudely started insulting the OP and the rest of our intellegence. I read the OP's post, I read your posts, I looked at the website, and saw red flags which had absolutely nothing to do with the problem with the OP's puppy. My opinion that I would not buy a puppy from this breeder has absolutely nothing to do with what the OP said, or what you have said.. It is based on MY OBSERVATIONS. There is NO reason ever ever ever to be as rude as you have been. and funny, that I am not the only one with that opinion.... but oh, I forgot.. in your words "I am a very good judge of character....it is obvious some others are not." And I beg to differ that you did not claim the OP was lying.. remember saying this? It seems your comments are half-truths.... and this? the false accusations posted here, are just that, FALSE. and this? saying totally false things about her and lastly, I never said you couldn't post. I ASKED why you could not let it go. I didn't say do not post. and I did NOT address the OP's story vs YOUR story at all. No one is even saying anything about the breeder at all.. Did you notice that all of the posts lately have been about your rudeness? Yet, you keep coming right back and bashing the OP and stating that everything she says is false. get over it! |
so this 'breeder' claims all her dogs live inside - yet they live OUTSIDE ? that alone is enough for me not to trust them - they can say what they want on a website but unless you actually SEE where they raise the puppies -then don't believe what you read on a website. (unless you get it from a very trusted source that a breeder IS what they say they are) |
Hi! I'm new to YT (and a new Yorkie mom:)) When I saw your post I was so sad! I got my little girl from SanJur back in April of this year and thankfully have not had any issues. Would you consider SanJur a puppy mill? I would feel awful if I supported that when I have a T-Shirt that says "Stop Puppymills"! When I went to look at my little girl there were several adults and pups in the house, I wonder if this outdoor kennel is a new thing? I hope your little one is going to be OK, my thoughts will be with you ~ |
Tahlula - I hope you enjoy your new puppy. I love my little girl. Isn't it too bad posting my bad experience has caused such an uproar! I stated my opinions and a volcano has erupted. The breeder isn't a bad person, she just needs to work on her business practices. This is her job so I guess she has to produce and sell a certain amount of puppies to pay the bills. She knew she would have sold me another puppy. In fact I almost bought two until I realized that would have cost me 4 grand! Her puppies seem to be good quality pets. She seems to breed for size because a little dog is what the demand seems to be right now. She said she was breeding the tri-colored down to a smaller size. I don't think I would consider her a puppy mill. That would only be the case is she sold her puppies to pet shops. I don't know how she sells all of those pups but I don't think she would sell to pet shops. Do you? All of her dogs and puppies were out in the building, except for the one puppy with a broken leg. Maybe when she runs out of room in her building she moves some in the house? I just wish the insanity would stop here. I am beginning to think this is a place to argue instead of conversing with fellow Yorkie lovers about our wonderful furbabies. |
Hi Chickiepoo, As far as I know she does not sell to pet shops. She came highly recommended by a few people in the Wayzata area so I thought with so many referrals she must be treating the mom's and dad's with TLC. To me, that is just as important as how the pups are being treated. I think you did the right thing by telling of your experience, I think it's good that the public is aware of these things. It just breaks my heart to think of these dogs sitting outside in a cage/kennel during this hot weather, much less during the winter! My little one is so incredibly sweet with personality plus! She is my first Yorkie so I'm learning as I go :) Is yours attached at your hip so to speak? I just cannot believe how attached my Tahlula is to me! She always has her eye on me and when I leave she is standing in the same spot waiting for me to return, so cute! What is the prognosis for your little one? |
Hi Chickiepoo, As far as I know she does not sell to pet shops. She came highly recommended by a few people in the Wayzata area so I thought with so many referrals she must be treating the mom's and dad's with TLC. To me, that is just as important as how the pups are being treated. I think you did the right thing by telling of your experience, I think it's good that the public is aware of these things. It just breaks my heart to think of these dogs sitting outside in a cage/kennel during this hot weather, much less during the winter! My little one is so incredibly sweet with personality plus! She is my first Yorkie so I'm learning as I go :) Is yours attached at your hip so to speak? I just cannot believe how attached my Tahlula is to me! She always has her eye on me and when I leave she is standing in the same spot waiting for me to return, so cute! What is the prognosis for your little one? |
Tahlula - I am glad you found good referrals. If you don't have an issue of an kind, she is okay to deal with. My little girl follows me everywhere too. The prognosis is on hold. The vet said we really have to wait until she is done growing to decide what can be done. He also suggested having a specialist at the University take a look at the x-rays and her. I am pursuing that option too. Since her growth plate damage is causing her leg to grow short and bowed it is hard to say at this time what can be done, if anything. Since day one that I got her she lifts her leg when she lowers her head to drink or eat. She has been compensating with her other leg to walk and run. |
Okay... now I got a call from the sheriff's office with a complaint from the breeder that I am trying to blackmail her. The deputy could hardly stop laughing to get the words out. He said she had no case whatsoever but just had to call me to follow up on the stupidity. Okay, so what did I do wrong here? Nothing! She said I have made a threat and a demand for 1000 dollars. I, in no way asked for anything, nor did I threaten her. I only stated to her my options as the lemon law states it. But never asked for anything. I even told her I was not pursuing anything because it is just not worth the effort. |
Good grief you guys... is all this arguing accomplishing anything? The OP stated something... her experience and opinion. She doesn't need to be attacked for that. FYI - I would back up her statements in having dealt with a "breeder" who works closely with Sanjur kennel. They trade studs, etc... This one also keeps her dogs (several pairs of breeders) in a pole building. Most of them are debarked and shaved down so much you wouldn't be able to tell what type of hair they have. In this area her operation is definitely called a puppy mill. I have heard that from dog trainers in the area. One I got is a 12 # Yorkie who was supposed to be 7#. Fine - she wasn't what I was told she would be but I love her and decided not to return her. Another one (I know, I was naive and stupid) was very little, had to have surgery ($1,500 total) and this breeder was rude to me and wouldn't talk to me about it and said it must have happened at my house. The vet disagreed and said it was an inherited condition. On the other back leg she has a grade 3 LP. I just find it interesting that the two breeders who work closely together seem to have some of the same shady practices. Why the heck can't people here just share their opinions/experiences without being condemned and having their words twisted? IMO, it's threads like these that send people running from YT. (yes, I know some of them on other sites) Can't everyone agree to disagree an leave it at that? Now the sheriff is involved? How petty can some people get? Move on and spend some time with your own dogs instead of bashing the OP. Please. I would love to get another Yorkie but I will not be getting one in this area again. I will look elsewhere. |
Thank You for your support! I feel as if I have done something wrong by trying to help others by posting my experiences and hoping others can learn by my mistakes. |
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I really hope your little one will be all right. It is heartbreaking to have to deal with these kinds of things. Please keep us updated!! (maybe in a different thread. :D) |
Thank You! I had just talked to her about her puppies! I am so glad I saw your post as I was ready to go out and look at a puppy from her. She is very nice on the phone and seemed to love her babies but said she had only about 5 that she bred. I have been taken in before, it seems that many Yorkie breeders, even premium puppies, don't tell the truth. I tell everyone, don't wait, get that puppy to your vet the same day you pick it up and have it checked over thoroughly before you fall totally in love, 3 days you are already hooked. Have the vet note "everything" so you can take that puppy back to the breeder if there is something wrong. Most breeders do not cover bad patella's and it is a rampant problem that can be checked right away. Also check to make sure that a guarantee will give you your money back for at least 7 days unless the puppy is injured in your care. Believe me, I learned this lesson the hard way 3 different times. I love my babies and will do anything necessary health care wise so they are happy, but, I wish I had done more research before buying each of them at 1500.00 - 2,000 each. Definitely a buyer beware. |
We bought our little man from Sanjur, and we had our suspicions from the start... We NEVER saw the parents. Some of the 'Yorkie' pups were white, and yet she claimed they were pure breeds. Some of this was our lack of experience with the breed, and some of this was us seeing a puppy we wanted to help. Luckily, our puppy turned out fine and he is an active little guy with no health problems. What I will say though is that we bought him as a pure breed Yokshire Terrier. I love him all the same, but there's a principle to it. Also, he was to cap off at 5-7lbs... He's 16lbs, and we've since sussed out hat he's a Morkie (a very healthy, fun loving Morkie). Something I would have known, had I done some investigating and actually thought through the signs right in front of my eyes. Like I said, I love the guy to pieces, but he truly turned out to be a Slum Dog Millionaire. Sandy should be absolutely shut down, since she demonstrates very little regard for the puppies and sells puppies as a business at any cost. Is this something Animal Control can investigate? I can't stand this kind of stuff... Also, for the record, we've since adopted two other healthy boys from a rescue. Best decision we've ever made, since it saves lives and you get as good of a dog/puppy as anywhere you can 'buy' them... Sorry you've had a bad experience. Fix him/her up the best you can and love them as though they're perfect. Because they are... |
Yorkie Does anyone have an recommendations for a Yorkie breeder in Minnesota? I have been hearing and reading a lot horror stories about different breeders. I am looking to purchase a Yorkie but would like recommendations. Thanks, Kelly |
I know you want a Yorkie, and they're great BTW, but if you are patient they do show up at rescues. We have rescued 2 yorkies, and couldn't be happier with having done so. Coco's Heart Dog Rescue is a great rescue resource, and if you go through the adoption process ahead of time you can prepare yourself for when a Yorkie comes available. Our youngest was only 12 weeks when we rescued him, and he's a Yorkie. No mistake, with his Batman ears and color. Still, I'd love him all the same even if he grew to be 50 lbs. My .02. Rescue... Quote:
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Fyi........... FYI, this post is 6 years old......don't you just hate reading a post this old??....... :aimeeyork |
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I like reading OLD posts, they get revived and shows the bad breeders are still at their work,,,, |
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