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dazed an confused-breeders help Ok I need some advice...I have two females breed successfully 3 times April 11-15 (proven stud) Both have gained about 1 lb plus, swollen teats, hard, swollen vulva, one is nesting the other is releasing colostrum. Vet swears he feels at least two puppies on Trina and perhaps one in Hedy. final vet check yesterday and x-rays to be safe since they were both to whelp close if not on the same day. Get this x-rays show NOTHING! at 54 days blank, nada, nothing!!! My question to other breeders, have you ever had an x-ray this late and it show nothing? I am in Yorkie confusion, :confused: Ive never had this happen!! All the physical signs say they are!! Should I do an ultra sound? or just wait it out? Have you ever had adults go through false pregnancies? All mine did first season but never as adults, AND TWO OF THEM at the same time :confused: The lastest possible whelp date would be the 19th and that's pushing it... any imput would be greatly appreicated |
xrays No, I have never had pups not show up at 54 days on a xray..but I would watch them both very carefully. If you have the money to invest, try a sonogram to be sure. Since the vet feels pups it is very odd...but the way the xrays are taken is important...side views are not always accurate., pups can be hidden behind organs. Lay them on their backs and watch for movement, which you should see by now. One thing I find in a pregnant bitch, is a clear sticky discharge, gets heavier the last two weeks. I have never had a non pregnant female do this. Good luck.. |
thanks pat for your reply...we did top view xrays as well because we couldnt believe our eyes incase they were up in the rib area and still nothing. He has a radiologist coming to his office today she will look at the x-rays for a second opinion...the oddest thing is the colostrum discharge! |
Gosh I wish I had some words of wisdom for you! I dont routinely Xray my yorkies when pregnant. I have had false heats but no false pregnancies. I cant imagine both yorkie girls not being pregnant, one maybe but both!! Id say the xray is wrong. It will be quite interesting to see what happens. Id probably wait it out if I could stand it, I know the testing is pricey, and if its not totally necessary I wouldnt do it........but I have a tight budget........ Sorry Im not any help. |
Thanks Kelly for your response, if I can feel the pups I usually dont do xrays just the final prenatal check. In this case I couldnt feel any pups so I asked for the xrays. He swears he felt them two weeks ago and again yesterday, perhaps were having ghost babies! :confused: |
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A sonogram isn't 100% accurate either. I paid for that and the vet and technician only saw 1 puppy and Gracie whelped 4. |
I am so anxious to know if there are going to be pups or not! |
Rini WhisperRini could tell you with her dolper if you were close. She was always 100% accurate about how many...even my vet would ask.."how many did your friend hear"? One time he was positive it was 2 on the xray and Rini said she heard a very faint third heartbeat..she was right..When Nadine had 6, Rini heard each one and told me where they were placed...a genius in my book...fingers crossed for you..the waiting and wondering is a pain. |
I've heard of pups not showing up on x rays even the day before whelping.. Just wait and see is my advice.. after all you can't change anything either way. Best of luck and hope we'll hear about some puppies soon. |
thank you all for your thoughts the radiologist looked at the xrays yesterday and said the same thing :( Now explain this (hedy and latrina) Hedy has been humping Trina non stop for the past 24 hours, she has never done this before EVER... Hedy is so persistant humping its making Trina very angry, she takes it for about 10 mintues at a time before she snaps at her, Hedy is stuck to Trinas side like glue! Doesnt look like a dominace hump I swear its a sex hump! She is putting her bottom in everyones face, I tested one of her teats again this morning and more colostrum too:confused: what the hell is going on with these girls... :eek: :D :shocked7q |
P.s Our female humped the crap out of our male when she was pregnant, I was really wondering after the x-ray showed no pups , and she humped that poor little guy till the day she went into labor, he got so used to it he would stay sleeping when she would do it , it was kinda funny he probably thought well she is going to do it anyway might as well lay here and let her go for it .. she has never done this with other pregnancies, I couldnt figure it out either But she did have 1 pup in their |
Well in all of my years of breeding, I've never had that happen either. Sounds like a false pregnancy to me. What is your vet saying about it? |
here is an update took hedy's temp last night 99.1 this morning 99.4 she is still expressing colostrum, now nesting in the whelping box, whats up with that if there is no baby...Does she think there is? would love for the xray to be wrong, she is eating like a pig (no loss of appetite here) stuck in yorkie confusion |
keep us updated, I have to know. It's like a yorkie soap opera. :p |
Yorkies are heck-bent and determined to break all the rules even at times like this. IF NEITHER OF YOUR GIRLS ARE PREGNANT EITHER BY THE SAME OR DIFERENT STUD you have some work to do and money to spend. How many days is the absloute shortest number of days gestation are they?? If more than 65 days from the LAST mating and no babies showing on X-ray, you can be sure there are no puppies especially if taken from front to back.. That is called an AP View.. Your vet should be able to hear heartbeats of puppies with a regular stethoscope if babies are there. Pseudocyesis, commonly known as false pregnancy could cause the symptoms you describe even in the absence of puppies. I have more to explain and IF you would like to discuss more with me, please PM and we can chat.. GOOD LUCK!!!!! |
Hedy's temp is 98.8 last night and 98.4 this morning :eek: first bred the 11th last breed date 15th... no other signs! :confused: Trina's temp 100 hasnt budged ghost babies! :confused: |
Ghost babies, has anything transpired yet??? |
temp 98.2, colostrum but nothing! :( |
odd These two have done nothing by the book, but like my vet used to say..dogs can not read books. I do not understand the temps being low...I have seen milk in a missed female, but not the temp dropping. |
lol Pat isnt that the truth!! Just took Hedys temp again 97.9 I use a baby digital so there is no error. LMAO vet says theres no pup, her stomach says no pup but her body says you better be ready! now for Trina her temp is now 99.3, licking herself constantly and wont leave the bed! both didnt eat this morning AT ALL they're little pigs usually! Just put out treats and want nothing to do with them either! I have a breeder coming this evening to take another look at these girls and another vet appointment tomorrow scheduled if necessary. I give up! |
This is very puzzeling ,for you too I bet, I am assuming you have bred these before are they following the same pattern .. wont you be busy if they both have pups at the same time kinda neat but hectic.. Cannot understand the temp thing have NEVER had that happen along with no appetite, am very curious to see what transpires with your girls, good luck dear. |
the girls I wonder if they will actually try to push? I have never heard of this and hope we never do again. LOL |
I just wanted to know what had happened with your girls? I wonder if indeed it was a false pregnancy. Please keep us updated. Good luck. |
lol this mind puzzling experience has to be over..no puppies not nothing and they're back to eating like little pigs...to say the least I am way over this experience. The hormones in this house are way out of control Hattie in heat flagging but my new stud stands there and does nothing, Candle light soft music and bubble bath wont help this little man:) Hedy is humping Hattie, Latrina is humping Hedy and once this morning Hedy mounted Hattie and latrina mounted hedy, no kidding all three at once. Ive come to the conclusion "my dogs have come out of the closet, no longer denying their sexuality"...I have gay dogs, I give up! And a man that wants nothing to do with the women!!!LMAO, never in my life time~! Taking Hattie to a wonderful little champion stud today to get this done right, over and done with, on to the next wonderful litter. OR NOT! :eek: Thanks for all your support |
That boy needs doggie porn, a glass of the bubbly and an experienced male to show him just how it is done.. I can just see him being taken in town to the local brothel for his first lesson!! LOL How many days is the heat cycle into? e might be waiting for just the right time..One of mine does that!! It is all controll issues like with all da males |
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