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Breny 02-15-2007 06:14 AM
Line Breeding question
 
I'm looking at a pup from my breeder who has the same dad as my male. Different mothers.
Could I breed this female to my male???

Willow 02-15-2007 06:29 AM
I wouldn't simply because they ARE still half siblings....Look at it this way...My parents both divorced, remarried other people, and had more kids. I wouldn't be with my brother even though we have different mom's because we share the same dad.

chachi 02-15-2007 06:42 AM
Mine are half brother and sister same dad different moms and I wouldnt breed them

Sugar's Mom 02-15-2007 07:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 955133)
I'm looking at a pup from my breeder who has the same dad as my male. Different mothers.
Could I breed this female to my male???
NO, this is not line breeding, it is inbreeding.

Mardelin 02-15-2007 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 955133)
I'm looking at a pup from my breeder who has the same dad as my male. Different mothers.
Could I breed this female to my male???
Too close; what you're looking at is inbreeding....the most experienced of breeders would be leary to attempt the breeding. While it could give you quick insight to your good qualities, it also gives you insight to the worst qualities you may have.

Breny 02-15-2007 07:44 AM
Thanks, I'm not doing it...just asking. I do not know anything on inbreeding nor line breeding, and I don't think I would ever want to do that. I already knew the answer but I like to throw it on here to hear others opinions.

Thanks for answering! :thumbup:

Breny 02-15-2007 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 955237)
Too close; what you're looking at is inbreeding....the most experienced of breeders would be leary to attempt the breeding. While it could give you quick insight to your good qualities, it also gives you insight to the worst qualities you may have.
Thank you! Yes I would never want to take that risk and even though I know its done...it just doesn't seem right to me. Thanks!!!

Mardelin 02-15-2007 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 955281)
Thank you! Yes I would never want to take that risk and even though I know its done...it just doesn't seem right to me. Thanks!!!
Breny,

There is a website: Dr. Carmen Batagllia (think that's how it's spelled) He's written some great stuff on gentics and breeding. How to breed a better dog for one. He's got some wonderful info on his website. If you haven't already, you might want to take a look.

Breny 02-15-2007 08:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 955318)
Breny,

There is a website: Dr. Carmen Batagllia (think that's how it's spelled) He's written some great stuff on gentics and breeding. How to breed a better dog for one. He's got some wonderful info on his website. If you haven't already, you might want to take a look.
I will!!!! Thanks so much.....I appreciate your help as always!!!!! :thumbup:

AMD 02-20-2007 07:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 955318)
Breny,

There is a website: Dr. Carmen Batagllia (think that's how it's spelled) He's written some great stuff on gentics and breeding. How to breed a better dog for one. He's got some wonderful info on his website. If you haven't already, you might want to take a look.
Is this the website? http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/index.html

rachelsyorkie 02-20-2007 07:23 AM
I read that breeding close lines is acceptable to better your line. I have always called that imbreeding, but I guess it is referred to as line breeding now. Its soyou can try to keep a more predictable look & size. I wouldbt do it. I havent researched alot on it, I think its gross. I sometimes wonder if thats why people have dogs w/strange behavior problem, like rolling in their poo. When I hear things like that I think imbred. It may be a cute dog, but something isnt right. Well I shared my 2cents but I'm not very educated on the subject.

Sugar's Mom 02-20-2007 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rachelsyorkie (Post 963820)
I read that breeding close lines is acceptable to better your line. I have always called that imbreeding, but I guess it is referred to as line breeding now. Its soyou can try to keep a more predictable look & size. I wouldbt do it. I havent researched alot on it, I think its gross. I sometimes wonder if thats why people have dogs w/strange behavior problem, like rolling in their poo. When I hear things like that I think imbred. It may be a cute dog, but something isnt right. Well I shared my 2cents but I'm not very educated on the subject.
No, line breeding is not the same as inbreeding. yes, some VERY experienced breeders INBREED to better their line but it is a chance they take because there is a huge chance that you will get more of the bad genes coming out than the good. EX. Father to daughter is inbreeding, Father to Grandaughter is called line breeding becausee it skips a generation.

Amber_lv 02-20-2007 07:50 AM
what about this is this imbreeding or line breeding if the grandfather to the sire is the father of the dam? so the sire and dam would be daughter and grandson of this one male?

YorkieRose 02-20-2007 08:10 AM
breeding
 
The term "linebreeding" was invented to justify "acceptable" inbreeding. I like linebreeding myself...
The closest inbreeding is.....
Father/daughter or mother/son..followed closely by full siblings, followed by half sibs and grandparents to grandchild..last are first cousins, uncle/niece aunt/nephew...but we tend to use the term linebreeding to describe other then father/daughter, mother/son, full and half sibs..BUT the genetist does not agree..to them all these breeding are considered inbreeding...

I like the saying..."linebreeding is inbreeding that worked and inbreeding is linebreeding that did not work.."...

Peters 02-20-2007 08:45 AM
no that's gross

Amber_lv 02-20-2007 08:50 AM
Well i am curious because the yorkie i was looking at before i got Daisy, her mother's father is her father's grandfather so i was curious because the breeder said this was acceptable line breeding.

YorkieRose 02-20-2007 09:40 AM
breeding
 
It is acceptable...but what I said is...genetists call linebreeding, inbreeding..but breeders do not for the most part.

Each breeding is totally different. It is not good dog breeding to make blanket statemenst like..."breeding an uncle to a niece, grandparent to grandchild is perfectly fine....you have to look at the dogs in the line, the pedigrees and make sure you are drawing on healthy, quality genes to produce quality. Do these dogs have traits so desirable you want them reproduced over and over in a litter?...Some years ago we did alot of father/daughter breeding..very acceptable in Yorkie circles...but there was an excellent article in the Yorkshire Terrier last year stating these close breedings are no longer needed and quite risky now.
The gene pool is so large today, breeders do not have to inbreed to set type and improve quality..IMO.

xxmxaxrxyxx 03-28-2007 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peters (Post 963967)
no that's gross
i totally agree with you...it grosses me out...

Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n 03-28-2007 02:54 PM
EWWWWW !! no way !! i would never to that w/ my babies @ all !! :thumbdown

Mardelin 03-28-2007 03:51 PM
Reputable well known breeders have line bred for years, by doing this it insures the type as well as health. However, when their lines become too tight they outcross. This is also a risk because you must know the outcross lines well and even then you are at risk not knowing what the two lines will produce.


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