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Sugar's Mom 02-03-2007 04:08 PM
weight to dock?
 
I have the smallest babies this time ever. The two smallest are 3.5 and 3.0 ozs. tomorrow is doc day. Should I wait another day or two on these little ones or will it be alright to do them now with the others? I am afraid to do it now and afraid to wait because the older the puppy is the worse it hurts.

Ladyhawk 02-03-2007 04:12 PM
I haven't had a pup that small yet but I think I would take them all to the vet and have him decide after he looks them over. After 5 days old it does get more complicated as the vascular system finishes developing so early is definitely better.

YorkieRose 02-03-2007 04:19 PM
weight
 
This is the reason learning to dock tails is so vital for a breeder. You can dock as they are ready..I do them at 3 to 5 days if all is well and they are gaining..weight isn't really a factor for me. Sometimes, one is ready and others are not..so I can dock as needed...crush and twist is a simple, bloodless method and not that risky for a tiny..cutting and surture is...

GurleyGirl 02-03-2007 04:37 PM
I've had a 2.4 ounce puppy's tail docked in the past... as YorkieRose had said... "as long as the pups are gaining weight"... there should be no problem getting the tails docked and dew claws removed.

Good luck. :)

Sugar's Mom 02-03-2007 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 929967)
This is the reason learning to dock tails is so vital for a breeder. You can dock as they are ready..I do them at 3 to 5 days if all is well and they are gaining..weight isn't really a factor for me. Sometimes, one is ready and others are not..so I can dock as needed...crush and twist is a simple, bloodless method and not that risky for a tiny..cutting and surture is...
We dock our own but we cut. to me that is much simplier than the crush and twist. PLUS, one swift cut and it's over. But they do lose blood. Not much. Iuse quick stop but mama usually licks it right off.

Sugar's Mom 02-03-2007 04:53 PM
Thanks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GurleyGirl (Post 929986)
I've had a 2.4 ounce puppy's tail docked in the past... as YorkieRose had said... "as long as the pups are gaining weight"... there should be no problem getting the tails docked and dew claws removed.

Good luck. :)
Thanks, problem is, she is not gaining. She weighed 3.3 at birth then 3.2 all day yesterday and this morning. BUT,her afternoon weight was only 3.0. I am supplementing her every hour today. I wish ididn't have to tho. Mom has enought milk and this one is nursing. i can't figure it out.

luvdorkyyorkies 02-03-2007 05:15 PM
Hi Sugar

I dock at 3-5 days. You said its dock day, not sure what day it is for your puppy if its earlier then day 5, Id wait on a weaker puppy hoping the weight will be more stable at day 5.
I give nutri drops immediately after the dock and dew claw.

YorkieRose 02-03-2007 06:35 PM
tails
 
I PM'ed you...cutting is surgery. Stitching is painful. and takes time, not over in seconds. I did it for years..then tried the clamp...tails are so small it never takes more then a couple twists and the tails is off..no blood loss..I do not like any bleeding..do the same with the declaws and they will not bleed..claws can bleed more then tails...I have docked tails while the pups were laying down nursing..no need to even take them from mom.

GurleyGirl 02-03-2007 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 930019)
Thanks, problem is, she is not gaining. She weighed 3.3 at birth then 3.2 all day yesterday and this morning. BUT,her afternoon weight was only 3.0. I am supplementing her every hour today. I wish ididn't have to tho. Mom has enought milk and this one is nursing. i can't figure it out.
Check to see if the little one's stool is loose.... if you can't detect anything... ask your vet to check tomorrow when you bring all the pups in...... could be the reason why she is not gaining (and losing weight).....

Otherwise... not to scare you... there could be something wrong with the pup. I hope not.

All the best.

Keep us posted......

Sugar's Mom 02-04-2007 09:26 AM
Update
 
i just docked all my tails except hers by myself. I did the clamp and twist. it was so easy. They whined a little just when I had them away from mommy but there was not one drop of bloood. I am going to do dew claws next but i guess I will get hubby to help with that. i will never cut another tail. it is so messy compared to this method. She is back to 3.2 at noon so I will dock hers later tonight or in the morning. That will be day 5.

YorkieRose 02-04-2007 09:34 AM
tails
 
Good for you...no blood loss conveniced me to try it..leave the clamp on a bit longer for the claws..they can bleed a bit...

Ladyhawk 02-04-2007 10:55 AM
What clamps do you use, hemostats? I want to do my own next time but hate to try it until I've been shown how to do it properly.

Yorkie3 02-04-2007 11:38 AM
Yes, could you please explain this method? Pictures would help also.:)

Mardelin 02-04-2007 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 931183)
What clamps do you use, hemostats? I want to do my own next time but hate to try it until I've been shown how to do it properly.
Hemostats.

If you can get a copy of Teri Shumsky's howto buy and raise a good healthy dog....or do a google search on docking tails....you can find all kinds of illustrations on the clamping method.

Mardelin 02-04-2007 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 931048)
i just docked all my tails except hers by myself. I did the clamp and twist. it was so easy. They whined a little just when I had them away from mommy but there was not one drop of bloood. I am going to do dew claws next but i guess I will get hubby to help with that. i will never cut another tail. it is so messy compared to this method. She is back to 3.2 at noon so I will dock hers later tonight or in the morning. That will be day 5.
Great you're making progress, hopefully increasing her intake is doing it. In a couple of days she should be up to 5 cc every couple of hours.

Sugar's Mom 02-04-2007 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 931264)
Hemostats.

If you can get a copy of Teri Shumsky's howto buy and raise a good healthy dog....or do a google search on docking tails....you can find all kinds of illustrations on the clamping method.
i couldn't do the hemostats on the dew claws they were too tiny. also, two of them had only one. I can't see any on this tiny girl.

Lady of Yorkies 02-04-2007 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 931264)
Hemostats.

If you can get a copy of Teri Shumsky's howto buy and raise a good healthy dog....or do a google search on docking tails....you can find all kinds of illustrations on the clamping method.


I'm not doing something right cause I have looked and searched and not found any illustrations on how to use the clamping method. All I have found is anti-tail docking and using the clamped tail to test pharmaceudicals(sp).

Do you know of a specific site? Sylvia

Yorkie3 02-05-2007 03:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies (Post 932465)
I'm not doing something right cause I have looked and searched and not found any illustrations on how to use the clamping method. All I have found is anti-tail docking and using the clamped tail to test pharmaceudicals(sp).

Do you know of a specific site? Sylvia
Same here....I'll keep searching, but it's not looking hopeful.

lisatodd 02-05-2007 07:25 AM
mardelin and yorkierose, i just have to say that you are so helpful in a time of need. i love reading all of your advise.
surgar's mom, congrats on the docking....i don't know if i could do that

Sugar's Mom 02-05-2007 09:07 AM
i was scared on the first try and thought I was killing the baby.LOl then the rest were a piece of cake. I will never do it any other way again.

lisatodd 02-05-2007 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkie3 (Post 932885)
Same here....I'll keep searching, but it's not looking hopeful.
just google the name including the name of the book. it is for sale for about 22.00. amazon.com has it on sale

Sugar's Mom 02-06-2007 02:42 PM
3.3
 
She finally got back up to her birth weight this morning and I docked her tail. She whined a little but has been fine. Acting as if it never happened.

YorkieRose 02-06-2007 02:56 PM
tails
 
Glad all is well....if anyone lives close to me, I will be happy to show them..taught many...showed a few vet. They told me they were taught to cut and stitch..

When I decided to learn, I watch a video from Teri Shunsky..but I do it a bit different now...

Sugar's Mom 02-06-2007 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 936302)
Glad all is well....if anyone lives close to me, I will be happy to show them..taught many...showed a few vet. They told me they were taught to cut and stitch..

When I decided to learn, I watch a video from Teri Shunsky..but I do it a bit different now...
Thank you so much for your help. NOW, how do you do the dew claws. we had to cut these, they are so tiny. two of them only had one and this little girl has none that we can feel. seems like I saw on here once that someonee fastens the clamp and then just twists the little nail out. leaves the rest. is that the way it is done?

KristiC 02-06-2007 03:25 PM
Hey Pat!!! I would like to learn more on this could you email me when you get the chance. Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 936302)
Glad all is well....if anyone lives close to me, I will be happy to show them..taught many...showed a few vet. They told me they were taught to cut and stitch..

When I decided to learn, I watch a video from Teri Shunsky..but I do it a bit different now...

YorkieRose 02-06-2007 04:21 PM
declaws
 
I use a much smaller hemostat on the declaws...not much bigger then tweezer...clamp, wait 10 seconds, twist..leave about 30 seconds.

Lady of Yorkies 02-06-2007 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 936302)
Glad all is well....if anyone lives close to me, I will be happy to show them..taught many...showed a few vet. They told me they were taught to cut and stitch..

When I decided to learn, I watch a video from Teri Shunsky..but I do it a bit different now...


I would love to learn this too. Maybe you ought to plan a day and set up a class. LOL I'm in Missouri, too far to come right now. LOL Sylvia


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