Duel registry??? AKC AND CKC???
 

I just called on a female pup. The lady told me that the parents are both duel registered AKC and CKC so the little girl can be AKC registered?

Is this posible and how does this work??

She told me I could register my AKC male with CKC and have him duel too.

I'm just being causious with my next purchase!

are you talking about CKC = CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB? I know for that one anyone can register with them by just sending a picture of your purebreed dog and if your dog is AKC Registered already you just send in a copy of the registration. To me honestly this registry is no good, but there is Canadian Kennel Club also = CKC and I do not know about that .

my kirby is dual registered. he is org akc but when there was a female who needed him as a stud and she was ckc registered, i reg kirby ckc so that they could register the puppies. ckc took his whole pedigree and used it as well so the puppies have a background to follow

correct me if i am wrong

if you are akc you can also be ckc
but if you are org ckc you cannot be akc ???? i think i am correct on this

yes, you are correct. i am fixing to dual register all my dogs. i have all AKC and am going to register them UKC also.

Do people frown on CKC? Do people sell their CKC pups for less?

People will try to sell CKC (Continental) for the same price as AKC. However, the registry is not looked upon in a good light. Many people that have been suspended from AKC will register CKC. Also, CKC is not as strict as the AKC. If I'm not mistaken, I read somewhere where they were registering mixed breeds simply because both parents (different breeds) were AKC.

That is correct. AKC can be CKC ,but CKC cant be AKC. And then the pups would also be CKC.
I know people who have AKC and turn around and get the CKC too. CKC is not as strict and you dont to have a sign posted in your home saying The parents names and all the info when they have their pups. as AKC some times inspects your home. My Mickey is AKC and my Minnie is CKC. So if they was to Breed I would need to Make Mickey CKC and then the puppy's would all be CKC.

Pixie is CKC and Mylan is AKC. I have a new male baby (pics later) that we have double registered. CKC has a lot of mixed reactions. TXShopper73 is right in saying that a lot of breeders did switch to CKC because they were suspended from AKC. Pixie's breeder was suspended for a short time because her record keeping was not set up per AKC standards. (Her pups are well kept and clean, so her suspension is a short one and not permanent.) And Pixie is a jewel... no problems at all. But to help my buyers feel safer, I am having Pixie and Gizmo DNA certified. (My AKC pups are DNA certified already.) That way my buyers can rest assured that the parents I state on the paperwork are, in fact, the parents!!! (I DO NOT want to lose my good reputation! because once you screw up... it's over!) So don't bash CKC too badly... there are good and honest breeders registered there also. Just do your homework well before purchasing a pup. Ask lots of questions and keep posting here to get feedback from others that may have dealt with a breeder you are considering. I know that Mardelin and TXShopper73 are good resources. All their posts have been very factual and accurate. So they're a safe bet on advise.

Anyway, if you are going to breed, visit AKC and CKC's websites to learn what paperwork you need to keep on hand (to stay within their record keeping standards). They have blank forms and tons of help to keep you in line. And lots of breeders here to help out.

Can you breed AKC and CKC together??? Can you breed Pixie to Mylan?

I guess I am just not educated as what CKC is. I just always thought AKC was top notch. How do I duel register Brodie to CKC?

The breeder filled me on AKC. She's had 2 inspections and flied thru with flying colors but she's not happy with AKC restrictions, how many litters...etc..and now they've raise their fees as well. She talked to me for an hour about it.

She's bred for 40 years, shows , but doesn't have a website and usually her litters are spoken for before they are born.

:thumbup: :thumbup: To all that everyone has said here. Our 2 males are dual reg..AKC/CKC...my female is CKC only. (Continental, not Canadian) Therefor, our litters have been CKC reg only. Unfortunately, I have also found it impossible to escape the negativity and assumptions that seem to tag along with it.:( When I acquired my female, I did so because she was the 'dog' I wanted...I focused more on her and her breeder than I did on the piece of paper tied to her. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that would be looked on negatively and for the likes of me, I can't make sense of it.:rolleyes:

For what it's worth...yes, I HAVE run across some VERY bad CKC breeders. I have also run across some very bad AKC breeders. You're going to come accross good and bad with both.:)

No, you can't breed a CKC to an AKC. They have to be the same registry. That's why my male is double registered... so I can stud him with either Pixie or Mylan. Pixie's pups will be registered CKC because she and Gizmo are CKC and Mylan's pups will be AKC because she and Gizmo are AKC. (Did that make sense...lol)

You can double register which ever pup is currently AKC. So if your female is AKC and you buy a CKC male, you can double register your female and her pups from the CKC male will be CKC registered. And vice versa, if your male is AKC and your female is CKC, you can double register your male (because he is already AKC) and the pups can then be registered CKC. You cannot, however, register a CKC pup with AKC.

Hope this helps.. :D

Are your pups hard to sell due to being CKC? I just ask because I really don;t know anything about CKC :confused:

It does help, thanks!

Make sure you know this Breeder well before buying her female. If shes not happy with the amount of litters AKC allows then she may be breeding her Females to often, I dont know her so I cant say. I know AKC Breeders and CKC Breeders ,and the ones I know are very good breeders. But like someone allready said CKC can be done with just a picture of your Dog.
If you are planning to turn Your AKC to a CKC all you will have to do is call them They will take The AKC info for your CKC papers.

Very good response, Bama.... I'm sadden that your CKC registration has been looked on negatively. So far, I haven't had any problems. My pups have sold fine. When I get questioned about CKC, I just tell them to go to the website and investigate for themselves. Once they've done that, they seem to feel a lot better about it. I really think you stated it well when you said, "For what it's worth...yes, I HAVE run across some VERY bad CKC breeders. I have also run across some very bad AKC breeders. You're going to come accross good and bad with both." :thumbup: :thumbup:

You're right, YorkieShadow about the 'Open' registration (registration with just a picture), but I found out last November that CKC was closing and did close this type of registration on Dec 31st. I think this is a very smart move on their part.

Well Breny I paid more for my CKC Yorkie Then I did My AKC YOrkie. and when I did The AKC Breeder asked me why would I do that? My Answer was because that was the puppy I wanted. YOu will find a lot of AKC Breeders that dont or wont have any thing to do with a CKC Yorkie. BUt its up to you what you want. I dont think any less of my CKC Yorkie Then I do my AKC Yorkie

If I was to Breed my AKC male to My CKC Female he would have to be registered CKC There for the pups would be sold CKC Registered. And I have had people at the vets that Have Yorkies tell me if I ever have pups they want one. and I then tell them they would be CKC and none of those cared as long as they was registered. so you have some that will pay top dollar for CKC and then some that want only AKC.

No, my pups have actually not been hard to sell because they were CKC...I have actually run into more people who are more concerned with "getting a small one" or a girl than they were registry. (Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know.:rolleyes: )

It just gets tiresome to feel like you either 1) have to defend yourself because you ARE a CKC breeder, or 2) ignoring it, which only allows the negative light being cast to remain.:( Kind of like that old 'rock and a hard place' saying...

(Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know.:rolleyes: )

Made me spit out my Mountain Dew.:lol tears :lol tears :lol2: :lol2: :sidesplt: :sidesplt:

HI Breny,

When I first started raising yorkies, I just didnt put alot of thought into the importance of registry. So a few of my dogs are CKC. I am happy with them, and attached!
But IMO it would be your best bet to go with all AKC. Im certainly not putting down CKC dogs because I have some.
CKC limits you and some people do question you about the registry. At this time it just isnt as respected, maybe one day, with some of the rule adjustments it will be, but for now its not.
Alot of people just dont care, they just want a nice pet, but some people do care alot even if just for a pet, so it might close some doors for one of your puppies to go to an excellent home based on registry alone.
ANd what if you have one day the most beautiful show potential come out of your CKC mating. They cant be shown in the AKC shows.
You might not have interest in showing, I m not either right now but if I decided to try one day and my best dog is CKC, I cant even consider them.
Something to think about for your future program. Things Inever thought about until after the fact.

Everyone:

I want to thank everyone for your answers!!! I wouldn't ask if I didn't want to hear what everyone has to say :) I appreciate that !!!!!

The parents ARE both AKC and CKC so she said she will register her AKC, so that won't be an issue. The ears....I'll have to look. I know what I'm looking for and I won't get her if I'm not comfortable...thats for sure. But I do want a 7lb female.

I just don't know anything about CKC, so thanks for everyones opinions !!! I do think I'm going to duel register Brodie now though.

Keep those opinions coming.....I'm here to learn and educate myself !!!! THANKS for helping me !!!

I'm just now picking myself up off the floor!!!! That is too funny, but soooo true!!! :lol tears :lol tears :eyetearss :sidesplt:

Just to give you a customer perspective.....when I was looking for my last two Yorkies, I did not even go look if they were not AKC registered. I am looking into possibly showing/breeding sometime in the future and they need to be AKC to participate in conformation at any AKC event.

(CKC in all of the following is referring to Continental Kennel Club -- CKC when meaning Canadian Kennel Club is entirely different. )
I am sure there are very ethical and loving breeders that are using CKC registry but.... I think too many of the early CKC people were malcontents and short-cut takers who could not abide by AKC's rules for animal health and safety. I am glad to hear they have stopped the picture verification registration -- I have seen MANY mixed breeds that could "pass." But what about the next generation? I imagine that is how we get some of these cute dogs that look nothing like the Yorkie standard -- but their owners swear they are pure-breds. Unfortunately the CKC gene pool is FULL of these picture-verified dogs that go on to dilute the lines.

Being AKC registered does not guarantee -- but at least this registry has put a lot of restrictions in place and does not easily allow registration of mixes. It is no coincidence that the puppymills are now steering away from AKC -- there are plenty of them that use CKC and APRI. Some puppy mills have even started their own registries. Some registries are little more than paper mills for puppy mills.

Here is a good article on registries: http://www.wonderpuppy.net/kc.htm It also goes on to explain what to look for in a good registry and what to look out for in the not so good registries.

If I was looking for a pet only, that I intended to spay or neuter -- and if I knew the breeder or was very aware of their reputation, then I might consider a CKC registered dog. But I would not send in the money to register the pup. I do not want to add money to an organization I believe was founded to support puppy mills.

I just checked their site and it still says that for $12, 2 witness signatures and 3 photos you can register the dog!

"2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ?of proper breed type? as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations." http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations

This is nothing against the breeders that are doing everything right with their CKC dogs -- but I am just very much against this registry among a few others. They are just out to take money and legitimize the puppy mills .

When I spoke with CKC last September, they said that the first of the year was their goal for stopping the open reg, depending on if they had met their quota and would be ending the period for each breed. I, like most, hope they end the open registration soon.:( I am tired of that being used as a point to argue against organization.

I definately undstand and agree with choosing AKC if your desire is to eventualy show in conformation. However, if you are interested in agility, CKC is very involved in that area so you would definately have more options to weigh there. That was another factor that weighed heavily in my decision.

Thanks for the update. I had heard that they were and had ended it at the end of 2006. Hmmmm.....