Does anyone have a copy of the tribute they could post?

I'm not sure if that is legal....I'll check and see what issue it was in and let you know.

I know that Paige Nix (owner of the YT Magazine) requested from several Top Breeders to submit photos of their dogs that were sired by Johnnie.

Wow kinda nice to have that in his pedigree

I read through this thread but you haven't mentioned the kennel you are actually buying from. That is important in your decision whether or not to purchase this puppy, not just the pedigree.
Are they reputable show kennel themselves? Where are they? Canada US Europe? You want to be very careful particularly if you are dealing with European breeders.
I am not saying this has happened in this case but you still have to be careful. Unless you know how these lines, Pastoral, Durrer, etc got into the pedigree, you don't really know if the person you are buying from is reputable or not.

I wonder who has sired the most champions, Pastoral Johnny Handsome or Rothby's Renee'Gade? Anybody know?

Good to see you on today!!

Thanks Amber. I sneek on when the boss isnt looking a couple times a day.

i don't know the answer but my little new male also has Rothby's Renee'Gade in his pedigree. In fact, that is going to be part of his namee. Lashire's Lil' Renee'Gade of Dee's (if AKC and UKc accepts it) Mr. Smith, my breeder of the Lashire Kennel thinks it will go right through. I am going to have so much fun looing up all these dogs when I get my little guy.

Lorraine is absolutely right! If the breeder is not reputable you have no idea if the pedigree is true. I personally have known of a few cases where the owner of a champion in a pedigree has contacted AKC and stated the pedigree was not a valid one. So always protect yourself and make sure that you are dealing with someone that is honest above all else! I have known of breeders right here in the US that place papers on a puppy/litter because of a nicer pedigree, but if the puppies were DNA the pedigree would not match.

Gator sired many many champions, I do not know the proper number at this time. You will find Gator is many pedigrees throughout the country.

The boy you have coming from Larry Smith/Lashire Kennels who is he out of?

I think Johnny has, 66 Champions in the US alone, that's not counting Canada and other parts of the World. Rothby's Reputation as of Dec 05 - Jan 06 has sired 28....I'm sure there are more.....

he must have been quite a guy. Like that one, Burgandy's Wee Muffin Man. I think he slept with every bitch in the country. LOL he is on every pedigree I have ever seen.

Never heard of the Burgandy line......

Burgundy is owned by Janice Lotze .

My little guy has JudaBob in his pedigree and many others. Im not sure what to look for when the names are so long. Can someone tell me more?

You are absolutely correct but there is more to it. For example, a very reputable show breeder could sell a dog to someone or allow someone a stud service to a nice male. THat breeder who got puppies out of the breedings now have that kennel name in their pedigree.
Now suppose that breeder with these puppies sells a puppy to someone they trust. Now suppose that breeder who bought this puppy does do business with an unreputable breeder (unknown to them at the time) or if they kept a male puppy that eventually becomes a stud dog, studs a bitch for someone who they don't know as well as they thought.
That next breeder down the line can then be selling anything with any claims they want to make because that very good kennel is indeed in the pedigree but certainly not with the permission or desires of the original very good show kennel that has that name.
Problem? Well the problem is that it is possible for the disreputable breeder to get that line but they are breeding the Yorkies they own that may not be very good or may not be from ethical backgrounds.
If you are going to be impressed with pedigrees, know who you are dealing with. I get very suspicious of sellers that sell with the claims of Champions in the pedigree and rattle off good kennel names in the pedigree who they have never even met and certainly those show breeders would not ever consider breeding to any of their dogs or selling them anything.
I'll try to explain further or better.
I have Pastoral, Yorkboro, and Durrer in my pedigrees which my pedigrees are becoming more and more also my kennel name as I put championships on my dogs and have them in my breeding program.
However, I know each of these breeders, went to Lorraine myself for the stud services, also to Doreen for a stud service and the breedings I did has Pastoral and Yorkboro anyway as they know each other and are good friends.
Durrer, I know Betty Anne and also dealt directly with her.
Terminology is that I got these lines through the front door. In other words, by dealing directly with the breeders involved. When I bought Tommy, he was a lot of Durrer behind him and some Aero. I knew both breeders and asked them if it was okay with them if I bought Tommy from his breeder who had also checked with both Durrer and Aero that it was okay for me to buy Tommy. I wanted to make sure they knew I was getting their lines although not directly from them but they were fine as I had gotten a stud service from Durrer before this and have since bred to an Aero dog the breeder has.
Going through the back door means that certain kennel names are now in someones pedigree without the knowledge or certainly the okay of the breeder that owns that kennel name. SOmewhere along the line a trust was broken, dogs or stud services were sold where they shouldn't have been on open papers
Most of the time you will see that reputable kennel name way back there somewhere.
Look at the pedigree itself. Is the breeder you are buying from showing their dogs, do they have their own line established with some of their own champion dogs or getting there? Or are they just selling puppies on the names of other show breeders who did the work had the good dogs bred to the standard, only to have them end up in a third or fourth generation of someone who doesn't know a thing.
And you wonder why show breeders are so cautious with refusing stud services and not selling on open papers and indeed, many are selling spay/neutered before it goes out the door.
Me for example as I hope no one ever gets a hold of any of my kennel name that I wouldn't want them to have it as my kennel name carries some very nice lines behind it and I wouldn't want those kennel names in the wrong places either.

That's VERY surprising.

When trying to look up the names on my Yorkies pedigree , Do I look up the whole name or just the first or last?

You would have to have the official AKC (or Canadian Kennel Club if in Canada) pedigree to verify what the pedigree is.
With the registered name and registration number of your pup, it can be purchased and I believe you can do it online from the AKC (I forget if you are in the US)

I understandd completely. That's why I don't understand show breeders/exhibitors making you put their name on a puppy you get from them. My husband originated the Indian Hills line of Beagles back thirty five years ago. We sell Field Champions and puppies all over the US. He will not let anyone to use his kennel name. people have asked if they could name their dog, Indian Hills this or that and he flat out refuses. Someonee is florida has picked up our name tho and we are working on righting that now. My husband has worked hard to earn the rep. he has as a breeder. he is 68 years old and still shows his dogs and trials nearly every weekend. people that are into beagling recognize the work and rep of him when the Indian Hills name is brought up. If hee lets someonee use his kennel name and they start selling puppies under it, they could easily ruin his reputation. So, that's the part I don't understand. Yorkie people seem to insist that you put their name on your puppy. Just doesn't seem right to me.

I have the official AKC Pedigee with all the names and # on it. Just didnt know how to find out about the names on it.

I guess it would be. But, my lines are This Time, Pastoral, Firacres and don't have any Burgandy in the pedigrees.

However, I spend a long time researching pedigrees and breeders, talking to people to find out what was behind each dog. Just having great kennel names in a pedigree is impressive, but if you're planning to breed you need to research the lines. I finally found my breeder/mentor and it was a year and half before she entrusted me with a show dog. She understood and trusted that I was not out to be a BYB and would breed for myself and to improve the breed.

Yes that's exactly what a reputable show breeder would be looking for to sell a dog for show/open papers. SOmeone they can trust with their lines.

When searching the nams on his pedigree, I dont seem to be coming up with any thing. But im not to got with searching.If I put some of the names on here can you tell me if you have heard of any of them?

Lorraine,

I couldn't do anything underhanded if I wanted to......My mentor tells everyone that when she let me have my 1st show dog, she grew a growth......I travel with her, I handle her dogs......I don't breed my dogs unless she approves it.....There isn't a move I make that she wouldn't know about. Especially in the show world.....news travels fast.......

If it is the official AKC pedigree then to the best of the records of the AKC that is the sire and dam of your puppy and the pedigree that goes with it.
About the only info there would be on the dogs through the registered names is through the AKC website that will tell you about their AKC championship ie how many judges to get their points etc. AKC does not recognize Canadian Championships which is fair as Canadian Kennel Club doesn't recognize AKC championship on our pedigree.
However, as someone alluded to earlier the pedigree and registration papers is only as correct and true as the information submitted by the breeder that you buy a pup from. A breeder can submit anything and it won't be questioned until someone has a problem or doubt and questions it.

Boy you got that right, news travels faster than anyone would ever think. I feel the same way, I couldn't do anything underhanded as I could not live with myself and I know it.
However, given my years now under my belt, and my track record now has also opened any door that I wanted so once you have proved yourself it really is a nice place to be.

Here in Canada, we are required to register each individual puppy and transfer ownership to the new owner. We can put non breeding contracts on them or do as I do, spay/neuter first anyway so no one can use it for breeding.
Now, show breeders, if they do decide to sell for show want their kennel name on that dog because out in the rings, they want it known where that puppy came from. A show breeder can sell a show dog under co ownership, again you have to know who you are dealing with or that can get a show breeder no end of headaches anyway, but if the person you sold to is trustworthy you are fine. Many show breeders will now only sell to other show breeders and then are very careful anyway.
If that dog with the show breeders kennel name is properly used in the buyers kennel and it doesn't get into the wrong hands ie someone just breeding and selling puppies off the good name of someone else's kennel, there isn't a problem.
Really it goes further than that anyway as any show breeder I have bought from or used a stud service has their kennel name all the way back in the pedigree in the first place, not just the puppy I bought along with the reputable show breeders kennel names that my show breeder that trusted me has in her pedigrees.
Many show breeders are drawing up quite complicated contracts to try to protect themselves but unfortunately when you are ethical it is hard to figure out what someone unethical might dream up and pull.

I'm a few years behind you, but feel pretty blessed to have found my mentor with a great line.