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Lacy's mom heart broken and confused AS you know Lacy had her puppies yesterday. The first puppy took a while to be born (butt first) I help pull the puppy out, and she is ok. Lacy waited about 2.5 hrs. before puppy number started to be born. She was head first and came fairly quickly. (about 5 minutes) but was not breathing. We gave puppy brisk rub down and cpr for about 15 minutes, but puppy didn't make it. Now I feel I should have done something else or failed to do the right thing. Puppy was about same size as puppy #1 and was moving before it was born. Any suggestions? Should I have removed membrane from puppy as it was being born? |
I am so terribly sorry. I have no clue about breeding or whelping pups, but it has to be heartbreaking to lose one. Hopefully, some of our knowledgeable breeders will have some answers for you. Congratulations to you and Lacy on your baby that made it. I pray that all goes well and we will have the opportunity to see that little one grow up healthy and strong. God bless you and comfort you. |
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After birth fluids will be greenish-black going to straw colored. As long as she's not hemorhaging, she's okay. As far as the pup goes, please don't blame yourself. So many things can go wrong. Maybe the lungs had not developed properly and could not function. As far as removing the sack before the pup is fully born, it's best to keep it in tack until the placenta is delivered as well unless there is trouble with the placenta. Removing the sack early would not have helped a pup that was unable to have normal breath functions. Did you "sling" the pup? That's the only other thing that I can think of that you might have done, CPR will help if the pup stayed in the birth canal too long and it aspirated placental fluid. Enjoy your pup. It's so fun to watch them grow! |
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Breeding is definitely not for the faint of heart! The hardest part for me is rehoming bitches when you retire them or when they turn out too small to breed. I may end up with 15 dogs by the time I get the champion that I'm trying to create! Putting your bitch at risk with each pregnancy is scary as well. Face it, it takes a certain amount of detachment to do this. It's definitly not for everyone! |
I'm sorry about your loss. Were all placentas accounted for? |
whelping This is the sad part about breeding...I have seen puppies moving in the womb one minute and come out dead in the next...if you worked on her for 15 mins with no response, then she was gone...there is "dead" and "really dead"..when they are "really dead", they are not coming back. You pulled the butt first out as you should have..I pull the head firsts if theya re taking too long..I do not remove the sac as they can aspirate..and they are still getting oxegen from the cord as human baby...what I would have done is given a shot to speed up whelping after the first puppy..I perfer no more then an 60 to 90 mins between pups...that is when many pups are lost.. Best wishes |
whelping I reviewed your posts...when did you see the first signs of labor?...you posted at 6:49am it had started..was it strong pushing...? You posted she was very wet at 12:43..was she contracting strongly then? Posts says her water broker at 3PM..but she was very wet at 12 or so...in hindsight, I would say the labor went a bit too long for the last puppy...since it was her first litter, the next may go much faster, if not I would keep Oxyie on hand. Best wishes |
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I'm so sorry you lost #2:( It's wonderful that you still have one and I hope all goes well with baby and Mommy., This is one reason I'm glad Lucy is bigger than the standard. If she had been small enough (under 7 lbs) I would've considered it and I know I would've been heartbroken had anything happened. |
oxyie Vets who are breeder friendly and know the breeder is responsible will sell a bottle...some let the breeder take a few shots home the week before whelping incase.. It is cheap and a bottle used to last me a year..plus I gave alot away... PS..a bitch does not need to be oversized to whelp well...size is no gurarantee all will go well either..I perfer a 5 to 6 pounder..I have has as many sections on a larger girl as a smaller one...seriously! |
I think I'll ask my vet with my next litter and see if he will then , just in case. He's used it on my last two litters, and the last litter it would have saved me a trip to the vet. Thanks for the info ! |
size The only bitch I have ever lost during a section or after was an 8 pounder..one of my biggest girls I have owned... |
Can you purchase oxyie online or from a feed supply store? Sylvia |
oxyie Not sure...I am going to look it up... |
Lacy puppy #2 I went to vet on Tuesday to have Lacy and #1 pup checked out and all is well with both. I asked my vet if I did any thing wrong when puppy #2 was not breathing when she was born. The vet said I did every thing right and there is really no explaining why puppy #2 didn't make it. It put me alittle a ease knowing My husband and I did every thing we could to get puppy to breath and the vet confirmed it. I will post pictures as soon as I learn how, as I'm a new viewer |
I am so happy that Lacey and her baby had a good checkup with your vet. Thank you for the update. I can't tell you how very sorry I am about puppy #2, but I know you all did everything there was to be done. Looking forward to seeing Lacey and her baby. God bless you all! |
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Oxcytocin is givin to human maternity patients to assist in speeding up the contractions......It is a drug and can only be purchased through Doctors/Vetinarians. |
Oxcie I want to stress that oxcytocin is a very valuable drug in the hands of an expericenced breeder. Never administer it haphazardly...it must be used in the correct dosage, at the correct times. I have never used it before the actually whelping of the first pup without the vets input and okay. It is a valuable drug for the breeder..prevents many fatal deaths and c-sections..and it is valuable to use after whelping to clean out the uterus and prevent infections. I agree, you did all you could to save your puppy...I am not finding any fault with you in that area..everything is a learning experince and a long whelping can and does result in fatal death sometimes...and then sometimes they just do not breath and that is heart breaking. I wish you all the best with your next litters..but puppies will always die, it is a cruel fact of Mother Nature...that is why the ones that survive are so very precious to us. |
Question - just out of curiosity, have not bred, have been "thinking" about it for 3 years now - anyway, how do you administer the oxy- inject into the muscle in the rear? |
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Into to muscle in the rear? As it does sting and they jerk, I usually have someone hold. I administer it 12-24 hours after she's whelped. If needed during the whelping process I will only administer it if the Vet has instructed me to. |
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