Amy Tan
 

I forgot......Amy Tan did not use a broker..she bought Frankie from Lisa Farmer in person, they are well accquainted. Amy Tan attended many dog shows for years as a spectator and getting to know the actual breeders, then she bought her show male.

Hey Pat...Elizabeth, the broker in this case, breeds Maltese and Chinese Crested. Not to each other...She has few litters in her home and follows all the strict guidelines put forth by the breeder's on YT...I assure you of this, I have been in her home and seen them. She has a network of dog breeder's that she personally picks and interviews which is why she has such an amazing health guarentee , she stands behind her puppies..for general and genetic health.Usually the puppies go straight from their Mom's to their new families. The puppies are not handed over by litter...they are with their mommies until it is time for them to go....12 to 15 weeks on average.The broker just takes the time to interview and find the puppies good homes...I filled out an application, answered tons of questions regarding my home, lifestyle, children's ages, other pets....all the things that all of you do...Elizabeth is such an animal lover, her own dogs are well socialized in her home...Vivi is a great dog and I plan on certifying her as a therapy dog.she puts a smile on everyone that meets her. I do not know the answer to why a breeder would want to do this...why don't you ask one of them?...Elizabeth does run a business but she does it with care for her dogs that she places...she gives out her beeper to all of the new owners and is available 24/7 and that is for the life of your dog...she also gives all the info on the breeder so that you can talk directly with them and see the parents. I know there are some unscrupulous brokers and breeders out there but she is not one of them. :)

Personally I would never buy a puppy from a broker. I want to see both parents and want my pups socialized with both people and mama dog. I raise mine in the house with me. They sleep in their crates and wake up , go outside to potty and then i gate them in my kitchen with pee pads. It works out great for me, mama dog, and the babies. She gets to teach them and play with them and I get to spoil them. It is a lot of work and time comsuming, but I get rewards with their little sweet kisses. Then I know what kind of people are getting my babies. No brokers because after i go through all that with my little ones i want to make sure they are going to be taken proper care of and have lots of love. Thats just me and my opinion. Not bashing anyone.My babies are usually on their way to being potty trained by the time they go to their new mommies and daddy's. I think this would make a better all around puppy than one that is born in a kennel and sold to another kennel then finally sold to someone that may or may not be good with dogs or even know how to care for them. Sorry for the long reply. Just my opinion.

I really hope that those of you that are so angry about brokers will at least try to see where I am coming from..I am trying not to take this personally because rationally I know it has nothing to do with me...but my heart is involved and we all know how irrational that can make you. I am grateful everyday for Divapup and Elizabeth Mandarino. If I had not found them then I would not have my precious dog. I sit here and write this with Vivi curled up by my side and the thought of that brings tears to my eyes.

Awww...please don't let it get to you! I can say I have met bad brokers, but until I meet each individual one, including DivaPup who I know NOTHING about, I can't say they are all bad.
I know there are alot of bad, dishonest CKC breeders that lie out there. But you know, I have CKC reg dogs and don't consider myself one of them. I know what it is like to get thrown in a group of (mostly) bad people and have assumptions made about you. If you love your baby...that is ALL that matters.

I know that this is your opinion but did you read anything that I have written? These dogs are not shipped from kennel to kennel they are shipped from breeder to new owner. Vivi was completely peepee pad trained when I received her. I honestly don't see how how she could be a better puppy.

Thanks...I really needed that :)

:( Hmmm...reading this again...this didn't sound like I meant it to.

DivaPup~ I was not calling you a bad person, I was actually trying to state that there are bad brokers-but I know nothing about you and therefor cannot include you in that group to my knowledge. I think I made it sound exactly the opposite of how it was meant. :( I just saw your name earlier and wanted to make sure that my statement wasn't about you. :)

Kathryn,

Your description of Elizabeth is not the same as mine for a Broker. So I don't lump her into the same pile. Don't you feel bad for one minute. Puppymills are in the same shady category as are unethical breeders. The work 'broker' is ugly and IMO not appropriate when placing puppies. But looking beyond the word.
Before this post I would have said all brokers are bad, but if Elizabeth's considered a broker, then I'd have to say 'depends'. I still don't like how the entire adoption is handled and the costs involved. But she may not like what I do. 99.9% of people that operate the way Divapup does are they typical stereotype unfortunately.

Thank Irene..I am going to bow out gracefully from this thread and go and look at new YT puppy pictures...can you tell I am procrastinating in my studio today? LOL I need to get back to work. Oh well ;)

There is a word for categorizing all people into the same definition..stereotyping......or one word you may be more familair with is prejudice. You can not fairly lump all people into YOUR same definition.
Saying "All people are THIS" is your own perception.
These are the kinds of "quotes" that are said daily here that make people upset and leave. Be respectful.
Posters try to be less intense on your own agenta and care about others..

That is my name on this forum, I am not Divapup the broker/breeder. I certainly can see where you got confused LOL.
And I am not predjudiced about anyone I just do not see a caring breeder having no say in where their pups go. I would not even leave asking questions and getting information about my animals to my HUSBAND not to mention someone who is doing it for a commission or a fee. For every one happy ending there are 100 not so happy. Research puppy brokers on the net, the information is out there if you want it.

This has nothing to do with how sweet and perfect your dog is. Everyones dogs are,wherever they came from. Most of us love our dogs unconditionally.
The original question was about brokers in general, not a particular one and I sure would not suggest to a new member that is the way to go, thats all. I apologize for being abrasive in my first post but sometimes things hit me wrong and I type before I think.

Oops...sorry! :embarasse

Broker
 

Kathryn, can the new owner contact the breeder about their puppy?
If I was going to be a broker, one big downside would be the need to learn everything about each breed so I could relay correct information about that breed, give advise about how to groom and care for that particular breed. I know I have been accused of being a "Yorkie snob"..but seriously I never ran into the same things with Doxie pups as Yorkie pups...it is all I can do to learn ONE breed. LOL

Your broker sounds like a very caring person...and forgive me for sounding like a broken record, but I will forever fault the breeder, not the broker.

Stop for a minute and look at your Yorkie baby..would you allow me to take it and find a new home for it..I promise to find a wonderful home and give you a good price for it..but you will never see it again or know where it is, know if it is well and happy...I have asked many breeders who sell to brokers why and posted it in an earlier post... being a breeder, I am very hard on breeders and I think it is our responsiblity to keep one another in check...we have the right to call our own kind to a higher standard. JMO...plus, the breeder is responsible for the puppy they produce for the entire life of the dog should it become homeless. What happens to a "broker bought" dog if the new owner can not keep it, dies, ill etc..is it returned to the breeder..? Please do not feel attacked..the broker is NOT the problem.
Best wishes

There is a difference between someone who goes out and buy's a pup for the fraction of the price, and someone who is hired by a person for a lot of $$$ to find them a pup so thry can go purchase it. I am also sure Mr. Cosby had the common sense not to buy his pup from someone who does the former.

Yorkierose,Yes, I do have access to the breeder. Also Elizabeth would take my dog in if something happened and I couldn't keep her.She has taken in many rescue dogs and placed them in loving forever homes. I am not the spokesperson for brokers but as someone said earlier...blanket statements are stereotypical.Unless someone knows every single broker first hand they really shouldn't condemn them all without at least hearing the other side first. I really need to avoid this thread.I know that in many cases brokers are not good but in my case it worked out great. I would not hesitate to return to Elizabeth and the original breeder for another puppy.The original question on this thread was to find out if there was such a thing as a good broker and in my case and since I have the actual experience of working with one...the answer is yes.

Thank you for posting this...we see the defination of a broker according to AKC is not what you have dealt with. Most brokers buy from commercical breeders through a Huntt type corp..very, very different then what you have in your friend. Best wishes

Brokers
 

To me there is only one definition of a Broker: One who buys up pups and than resells them for more money than they purchased them for.. You can not compare someone that helps someone find a nice pup or someone that may advertise a puppy on their site for someone else.. You also cannot compare someone that purchases a puppy for show or their breeding program and the puppy falls apart and they place them into a loving pet home..

I have seen many times on this forum when people have more or less referred to someone as a broker.. They may not have said broker, but that is exactly what they were referring to.. To me a broker is a awful person with only money in mind and not the welfare of the puppies they have bought up to make alot of money off of! JMO..

I didn't mean to offend you. It sounds to me like you had a great experience. Had the broker we dealt with treated us that way, I would have had no complaints. And, I'm going to guess people don't protest outside of 'your' broker's place of business like they now do at 'my' brokers place! :p

Hopefully noone is upset because a question was ask about brokers vs breeders. everyone is just giving their own opinion. I didn't mean to offend anyone if i did.The brokers at least most of them here in Missouri are just out for the money not for the poor dog. I'm sure all of you have heard rumers from Missouri. I live here and certainly know a lot about some of these brokers and breeders. Thats all i have to say.Not saying that your broker isn't a good caring person. Glad you found your little friend and she has a good mommy.

Shyorkies,
This is directed right at you.
To me a broker is a awful person with only money in mind and not the welfare of the puppies they have bought up to make alot of money off of! JMO..
That is your quote.

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Why does the breeder use a broker?

So you aren't a broker, or are you saying you are one??? I am confused :confused:

Excuse me.. Would you like to elaborate on that?

NO I am certainly NOT a broker! I think brokers, pet stores, backyard breeders and puppy mills are awful people with only money in mind and not the welfare of the puppies they are going around buying up!

The only time I have ever placed a yorkie NOT of my breeding was if the puppy fell apart and could not be used in my program.. If you are a breeder who loves the breed and breeds to the AKC standard you never breed genetic defects into your dogs.. example, Liver Shunt, Luxating Patellas, Collapsed tracheas, hernias, etc.. The only point I was trying to get accross was there are times a reputable breeder or reputable show breeder places a dog not of their breeding that does not fit into their program and needs to be strictly in a pet home and that does NOT classify them as a broker.. Hope I made that clearer..

Well sometimes ............ people get in a bind.
Let me emphasize.....Im not a broker. But a friend of mine got in a bind.....long hours...crazy work schedule....no sleep........very stressed.......taking care of grandkids. She asked if I would help take care of her puppies. I did. I was glad too.
Very nice puppies....... I found them nice homes.........I made a very small profit and I helped someone in need. The owners are happy, Im pleased and my friend had alot of stress off her.
So brokers are not the blood sucking vampires you may think they are.....
Oh some may be! But our experience was one of best intent.

I must have been mistaken, I thought you said you were or that you have done this more than the one time you are speaking of now. :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

You are not a broker!! You are a kind and loving person that helped someone in need.. You were a wonderful friend to help her out and she done the right thing by doing the right thing by you.. Bless you..

I know of someone that purchased a couple of females out of the newspaper...under $1k each. Kept them for a a week or two and then resold them at a much higher price. Would this person be considered a broker??? :confused: