This is a moot point, but I think it may have been in your best interest to have everything in written in some kind of contract.This way you know what the breeder is providing etc. Was there some kind of contract written when you left the desposit such as....what you were buying, what happened to the deposit if you backed out or the seller did....etc.etc.

In hindsight, I wish that I had. She said that she put in her "ad" here on YT that deposits are non refundable and that she was only providing shots up to 6 weeks. I have that saved to my computer, and it doesn't say that. The next puppy I get, I am going to be patient and wait to find a breeder that is experienced and can pay for all at once so that there is no confusion on what I am supposed to pay and won't have to have her hold him/her for me.

Just curious. Have you visited this pup and gal in person? Or was the pup to be shipped? I think before I gave up my $350 I would try to talk to this gal in person and see this pup. And then go from there.

I have seen the puppy several times.

OK, Lets hear both sides of the story.
1) We have already gotten the pups first set of shots.
2) We have already been deworming the pups since the pups were about a week - week 1/2 old, per the Vets orders.
3) We have been working with you on the payment of the pup...YOU HAVE NOT PAID $900 FOR THE DOG YET. You haven't even paid 1/2 of that yet. So do not question us what we did with the money that you have given us to date, that was a deposit for us to hold the dog for you. If I would have known you were going to pull this, I would have made Amanda sell the dog out from under you....but we held out for you....like a GOOD person is supposed to. Further more, do not question what we did with the money that you have paid us up to this point. We held out with the belief that you were good for the money.

The breeders that I have encountered in our area release the dogs at 6 weeks, basically shortly after the dogs are able to eat food on their own and the Vet Ok'd the pups to be released from the mothers care.

We have been patient with you about the money, basically b/c we thought you were a friend, but you pull this crap today, totally flipping out and backing out of the deal.

You bought the dog knowing that there were responsiblities that YOU were going to have to deal w/...

Amanda agreed to get the 2nd set of shots done, but not the 2nd round of dewormer.

Amanda also has been wanting to give you the pup early - before we got the rest of the money - as a gesture of FRIENDSHIP. I'm glad I talked her out of that....or we would be out over 1/2 of the price of the pup.

A Health Guarantee? WTF? You have seen the pup. You have held the pup. H3ll...the pup has spent several days at your house....What type of other guarantee do you want? Life insurance on the dog? Give me a break.

I'm stepping of my soap box now. Mods, Please LOCK this thread.

Joy...PM amanda or me or call us before you come on here crying your crap.

Wow...

I'm speechless... :shocked7q :shocked7q :shocked7q

Whoa!! That was from Peacekeeper? :confused:
I don't think I want to be apart of this thread. :eek:

UH UHHH no she didn't!!! Wow I definetly wouldn't want to buy a dog from you. Just nasty!! AND YES YOU SHOULD HAVE A HEALTH GUARANTEE. Just because she saw the dog and spent time with it doesn't mean the dog won't croak after she's had it for a month or two and if it does then what she'll just be azzed out huh?? I think that is really UGLY!!! I'm glad she backed out. She was being smart!!

Joy take your cash and get you a puppie from a reputable breeder who can supply references and give you A FREAKIN HEALTH GUARANTEE!!

So..........If you have a baby. You take the baby home from the hospital. The baby is healthy. Suddenly the baby gets sick and dies....Is the Hospital/Doctor to blame for this? NO.

Are we to blame if the dog dies 1 day after the owner takes the dog? Are we to blame if the dog dies 4 weeks after the owner get the dog? No.

We didn't offer a Guarantee from the begining and Joy agreed to this.

Do not make us out to be "bad" breeders...We are not hiding anything. We are not being deceitful in the deal that Amanda and Joy had.

We got the 1st set of shots. We got a round of dewormer for the pups. We agreed to get the second set of shots because it is time for it. Amanda didn't agree to get the 2nd round of dewormer because we are still on the 1st dosage of the dewormer. The second round is a different process. The Vet has to administer the 2nd round and the cost is significantly more expensive than the 1st.

Don't start throwing words like "nasty" and "ugly" to people you don't know.

I cannot believe my eyes!!!

If breeders are releasing their pups (yorkie pups) at 6 weeks and you're following their advice, perhaps you need to find different breeders to look up to.

Pups generally are not paid for in full until the pup is delivered. At this point in time, this pup should not be paid for -- it should not be paid for until another few weeks -- 12 weeks!

If a breeder has the pup in their possession on the day a set of shots or dewormer is due, the breeder is still the owner -- they have the dog in their hands . . . it is their responsibility!

Even though Joy has held this pup, she is not a vet and has no degree. She has no way of knowing whether this pup has a congenital disease/defect. This is a cowards way of saying "I am an irresponsible breeder."

Joy -- RUN . . . RUN . . . RUN . . . as fast as you can! $350 in the hole is a lot better than having a long term commitment to this breeder. This is someone in it for the money, obviously!

I have NEVER seen a pup advertised saying that the price was contingent on the number of shots or the amount of deworming that had been done. That is just ludicrous!!!

Yeah your a MAN!
 

Babies don't just get sick and die for one. There has to be a birth defect that most likely the mother knows about before the baby is even born (Modern Technology is a motha) or the baby will die from SIDS. Anywho That is YOUR BABY though nobody else gave birth to her so whatever birth defects that baby may have or illness it acquires you need to deal with because your not giving that baby away like you are with your puppies. So yes you should be held accountable within a respectable amount of time if something goes wrong with that puppy because YOU bred them.

If she agreeded on taking the puppy without the health guarantee then that was her mistake because she may not have educated herself on the purchase of a puppy...BUT JMO I think your definetly taking advantage of her not being aware. I think you just don't want to have to come out of your pocket for the extra expenses so that's why your giving her the dog at 9wks and to charge her $900 (yeah OK). Not saying your a Bad breeder but I just wouldn't buy from you.

Okay look- whether I need to look up to diff. breeders is a totally diff. story. I will look into that. Point is I did let them go at 6 weeks...The other owners were fine with it and the pups are doing great. I am still in contact with them both. I am not a bad person nor a bad breeder. Yes I don't do this for a living. My babies have always been in my house never outside in a shed like most/some breeders. Joy didn't have a problem with this when she agreed to get the pup. She knew it then why did she even send money if it was such a big deal to her like she is saying. The reason she didn't get the pup at 6 weeks is only because she didn't have all the money then. AND BY THE WAY! I got my baby at 6 weeks. She is perfect in every way. I don't know any one who lets there pups go at 12 weeks unless no one has paid for them. The only ones I have ever heard of is on here.Not that 12 weeks is bad - it is a good idea.. but I did not do 12 weeks I did 6 - lets get over that point. I am not in for the money. I bred only for my friend that had my babies mama... so she could have a pup. Her baby got killed by a big dog. So out of the kindness of my heart... I put my lil baby in danger! So before you go bashing me - U need to know what your talking about completely. You don't even know what kind of person I am. Joy knows that I would never try to cheat her... I don't care what she says or what you think. I know she knows that I would not do that to her. I am not that type of person.

THIS IS AMANDA. NOT JEFFREY -- anyone that has anything to say to me... I am : ilovemyabbie. I have nothing to hide. I didn't do any thing wrong.

PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!

Hmmm, SOME VET! I'm glad mine isn't that ignorant.

Nothing is stated in your ad that the deposit is refundable. Nor does your ad say that it is contingent on a certain number of shots.

All I see here is someone trying to make a buck and doesn't want to be responsible for what they have produced and SOLD. If you cannot provide a warranty -- that should speak volumes.

These pups are not ready at 6 weeks to go to their forever homes. Why breed a litter (you did say you used a stud so this was a purposeful breeding) if you're not willing to do what is necessary to take care of what is necessary in the outcome?

Just because a child can feel his/herself at 2 years old . . .does that mean that it should be out in the world on his/her own? NOOOOOO

Joy ---- RUN sweetheart! There are reputable breeders out there that you'll know when you see them. In Georgia, the best that comes to mind is TyAva -- the owner/breeder of Wyatt.

Get an attorney . . . this ad does not say it is non-refundable.

Here is the link to the original ad:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24561

Subsequently, there are a few postings in other people's ads that list the pup at $900 with deposit. In those other postings, it was NEVER stipulated that the deposit was non-refundable.

I also suggest you contact the Better Business Bureau, the local and state taxing authorities and the IRS to provide them with a copy of the cancelled check showing this person is conducting a sale.

I was looking at your dogster page....this must be hard with all the unfortunate events you have been through with your pups recently. How old are your babies?

wrong thread, sorry

We are emailing Joy to try to work this out. So replying to this thread will hopefully stop. We are saddened that this has boiled down to fussing. We aren't bad people and we aren't trying to con anyone.

Good night.

I think we all need to back off and let Joy deal this on her own with Peacekeeper.

As outsiders, it's hard to tell who's right, who's wrong! We don't have the COMPLETE story! Let them solve it on their own!

That is what Joy SHOULD have done in the first place. IF she really felt THAT uncomfortable, she wouldn't have needed all the "advice" she wanted from us. She would've done what she wanted to do: look for another puppy.

Anyways, I say we let them solve it.

That's Great! :thumbup:

My goodness...talk about CRAP I hope you know that you do not have to take this CRAP from any breeder. Especially one who would speak to you in such a way. There are lots of nice breeders out there that WILL give you an excellent guarantee as well as, that WILL worm your puppy as needed, that DO use vets who are compassionate and educated, that WILL keep your baby until 12 wks for the puppie's proper development, that WILL be there for you throughout your babies entire life, and that WILL not speak to you or about you in such a way on a public forum. Call your deposit a lesson in life and move on. Best of luck on your pm's.

I think this goes to show that you can't always mis friendship and Business Period. Please, anyone searching or looking for a pup, research Research, RESEARCH!!! Everyone knows you can't let a puppy go at 6wks!!! They won't get love from the mom, and pack training from litter mates!!! ARGH!!! :mad: :thumbdown

I paid about the same for my yorkies and I got them at 6 and 8 weeks They came with just their first set of shots and wormed ......no health contract no spay/neuter agreement if they did I would not of even took them. I think that is the new owners choice if they are paying for that dog then they have a right to breed it if they want to, unless its going to be to small .

I woke up to this !!
 

The only point I am going to touch on is letting a yorkie go before 12 wks??

It should not be done and that is all there is to it. This breeder is exactly
what we have been talking about on other threads. BUYER BEWARE and do
your homework. Also Peacekeeper this forum is here so people can come
to us for advise. I hope you two can work it out.

Quote"Okay look- whether I need to look up to diff. breeders is a totally diff. story. I will look into that. Point is I did let them go at 6 weeks...The other owners were fine with it and the pups are doing great. I am still in contact with them both. I am not a bad person nor a bad breeder. Yes I don't do this for a living. My babies have always been in my house never outside in a shed like most/some breeders. Joy didn't have a problem with this when she agreed to get the pup. She knew it then why did she even send money if it was such a big deal to her like she is saying. The reason she didn't get the pup at 6 weeks is only because she didn't have all the money then. AND BY THE WAY! I got my baby at 6 weeks. She is perfect in every way. I don't know any one who lets there pups go at 12 weeks unless no one has paid for them. The only ones I have ever heard of is on here.Not that 12 weeks is bad - it is a good idea.. but I did not do 12 weeks I did 6 - lets get over that point. I am not in for the money." unquote

I would like to address a couple things in your statement.
First I would seriously rethink where you get your breeding guidance from if the breeders are letting them go at 6 weeks and the dogs live in a shed. That is not like "most breeders" I have ever dealt with or would ever deal with. These are the breeders that should be turned into the ASPCA.
And if you are not in it for the money then why would you be complaining about a dewormer and second set of shots? I think 900 should cover a 9.00 bottle of wormer divided between a litter.

I have seen a million threads on this forum addressing ethical/unethical breeding practices. I have also seen a LOT of posts on 6 week old puppies suffering from illness and hypoglycemia and the distraught owners posting asking for help. Did you not when you were researching your breeding read any of these threads?
It never ceases to amaze me that people will read something over and over and still do what they want for whatever reason they concoct in their own mind.