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Tx-Debb 04-21-2018 02:15 PM
Thank You very much for your advise. yes he and his siblings are cuties. :)

Lovetodream88 05-06-2018 11:51 AM
How’s it going? Are you going to get the parents fixed?

OwnedByJezebel 05-06-2018 02:50 PM
Not only should the dam and sire be spayed / neutered, all of their offspring could be carriers and should be spayed / neutered as well ... and not only from this litter but also previous litters.

Mike1975 05-15-2018 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 4760155)
Not only should the dam and sire be spayed / neutered, all of their offspring could be carriers and should be spayed / neutered as well ... and not only from this litter but also previous litters.
Not necessarily.
There is dna test for D locus to determine which dogs are carriers of the "d" allele

Lovetodream88 05-15-2018 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike1975 (Post 4760704)
Not necessarily.
There is dna test for D locus to determine which dogs are carriers of the "d" allele
I’m hoping you are referring to any puppies from that mom and dad because both parents have to have it in order for them to have a blue born puppy so both parents need to be fixed.

KatysMom 05-15-2018 06:23 AM
We don't yet know the outcome of the genetic test on the little one.

Then, I have couple of questions.

1. Breeding Pairs.

I've read and re-read the article published by Animal Genetics, "D-Locus (Dilute Coat Color)."

See the chart "Results" toward the end of the article; it describes three outcomes to the D-Locus test--D/D, D/d and d/d.

If a D/D is paired with a D/d, is it true that the offspring can be either D/D or D/d (but not d/d)?

If a D/D is paired with a d/d, will the offspring be either D/d or d/d (but not D/D)?

2. Pending return of D-Locus results, what if the three-week old pup's coat has changed from blue at birth to black and tan?

Thank you for your input.

KatysMom 05-15-2018 06:33 AM
Bit more on testing.

For those who, like me, would like to see more testing done (in general), Animal Genetics will accept either "a dewclaw or blood" sample from very young pups. See "What is the best kind of sample to send for testing?" at "Frequently Asked Questions (Canine)."

KatysMom 05-15-2018 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by KatysMom (Post 4760713)
.....
1. Breeding Pairs.....
If a D/D is paired with a D/d, is it true that the offspring can be either D/D or D/d (but not d/d)?

If a D/D is paired with a d/d, will the offspring be either D/d or d/d (but not D/D)?
...And finally

If a D/d is paired with a D/d is it true that the ouffspring could be D/d, D/D or d/d?

Have I missed any permutations?

Mike1975 05-16-2018 07:28 AM
It's a simple punnett square
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punnett_square

DD + Dd
a non carrier (DD) + a carrier of the recessive (Dd)

50% Dd
50% DD

If both parents are carriers there is 25% chance of a non carrier puppy.

If both parents have expressed the dilution gene, meaning they are both (dd), then all the resulting puppies will be (dd) as they (the parents) don't have the dominant D to pass it to their offspring.


DD + dd
All puppies will be carriers of the recessive (d)

Mike1975 05-16-2018 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4760707)
I’m hoping you are referring to any puppies from that mom and dad because both parents have to have it in order for them to have a blue born puppy so both parents need to be fixed.

Yes, I am referring to the pups and relatives of the parents.
Both parents are definitely carriers of the ressecive d, so no test is needed.
Also the blue born puppy is definitely dd.

KatysMom 05-16-2018 07:53 AM
Thank you, Mike1975!

jasminescottage 05-17-2018 01:54 PM
Blue pup
 
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Originally Posted by Tx-Debb (Post 4759078)
Hoping these photos clear up what was posted and yes am new breeder have done many hours of research on breeding they are all akc registered with pedigree background and went over by vet from head to tip of tail along with bloodwork and was told would be fine to breed that they were all same breed. I am not in this to line my pockets by no means sorry that was impression. hope this clears up some misunderstandings. And pls look at pics and if I have been given wrong info pls inform me.
Debb - sending love and prayers on this, Julie and Gracie

KatysMom 06-05-2018 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4759166)
He's a cutie! There is a simple DNA test to determine whether or not a dog is blue born. The technical name for blue born is "color dilution alopecia," and the DNA test is called a "D locus test." If you get that test done, you will know for sure. Here is a link to some companies that perform that DNA test:

D-Locus (Dilute Coat Color)

https://www.pawprintgenetics.com/pro...s/details/170/

The health problems others have described in this thread usually start around the time of transition from puppyhood to adulthood. I would definitely recommend that you have your blue puppy tested, and if his results come back as d d (homozygous dilute), you should definitely stop breeding his parents and not breed his siblings either, since they could be carriers.
Thank you again for your post, pstinard.

Update.

Deb's little one, now a good-sized black and tan, is happy and healthy. She had the vet test for DNA, heart, kidneys. All good. No dd in the DNA. Deb and her whole family have fallen in love with the little guy. He couldn't be in a better place.

teasell 06-06-2018 01:26 AM
Yay, so glad this puppy is a healthy one and not blue born, Sometimes medical tests are a good thing...

sandybobb 07-25-2018 01:51 PM
Blue puppies
 
With all the colors popping up, blonde, merle, ocean pearl, etc. in the yorkie universe, you can't assume that a puppy born "blue" has the "blue puppy" syndrome. Things aren't as they used to be; but DNA is a great resource.

Lovetodream88 07-25-2018 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sandybobb (Post 4765552)
With all the colors popping up, blonde, merle, ocean pearl, etc. in the yorkie universe, you can't assume that a puppy born "blue" has the "blue puppy" syndrome. Things aren't as they used to be; but DNA is a great resource.
Merle is NOT a yorkie color and if their are breeders breeding for them more then likely they are not good breeders nor Akc Yorkies.

sandybobb 07-25-2018 03:14 PM
Color
 
I, personally, completely agree with you. I much prefer traditional colors, although I have bred some parti-colors, but have no chocolate, blonde, or other colors in my lines. I believe that there must be some mix to have achieved a 'merle' yorkie, as that color is only in dachshund and australian shepherds, that I know of. I would not breed "off colors" and believe the breed should be left alone and not played with to achieve these colors to the detriment of conformation and health.

Lovetodream88 07-25-2018 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sandybobb (Post 4765571)
I, personally, completely agree with you. I much prefer traditional colors, although I have bred some parti-colors, but have no chocolate, blonde, or other colors in my lines. I believe that there must be some mix to have achieved a 'merle' yorkie, as that color is only in dachshund and australian shepherds, that I know of. I would not breed "off colors" and believe the breed should be left alone and not played with to achieve these colors to the detriment of conformation and health.
I think you can do the colors and have healthy dogs you just have to be careful when buying one. I actually have a chocolate yorkie and had wanted one for a very long time.

rjwalt 08-13-2018 10:35 PM
OK, first of all, which pups were the parents? You posted 3 pics and I gotta tell you, contestant #1 is suspect..... I mean he/she looks yorkie-ish but i smell a cross. If that is the case than all of this blue-born stuff goes out of the window, that is only in play if the parents are 100% Yorkies.... not sure why no one pointed that out..... I mean I have seen some morkies and yorkie-poo's that look like straight up yorkies at this age but as they age, things change. The pup looks a bit chocolate/blonde to me. You need to have that first pup tested to see if he/she is 100%

Lovetodream88 08-14-2018 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4766934)
OK, first of all, which pups were the parents? You posted 3 pics and I gotta tell you, contestant #1 is suspect..... I mean he/she looks yorkie-ish but i smell a cross. If that is the case than all of this blue-born stuff goes out of the window, that is only in play if the parents are 100% Yorkies.... not sure why no one pointed that out..... I mean I have seen some morkies and yorkie-poo's that look like straight up yorkies at this age but as they age, things change. The pup looks a bit chocolate/blonde to me. You need to have that first pup tested to see if he/she is 100%
I believe she said they were AKC registered.

rjwalt 08-14-2018 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4766997)
I believe she said they were AKC registered.
So? Last time i checked AKC registration is not contingent upon DNA screening. All you need to do to to get a litter registered is have two id numbers with full breeding rights and a number of puppies then bam, you say 4 pups they send four slips/applications, you have four pups and say you had 7 then you have 3 extra AKC registrations you can slap on 3 yorkie/chihuahua mixes.... it is also possible for a dog to become pregnant by more than one dog...Were there other breeds in the home of the breeder? next door? Its so not that simple.

If having the AKC registration umbrella means people can charge more for pups, a greedy, dishonest person will do what they need to do to get over.

Browse the classifieds and see how many shady looking "akc" litters are floating around....
It could just be a case of unfortunate genes coming together or a bad photo but I would honestly recommend a parentage dna test to be sure on that one dog.

KatysMom 08-14-2018 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4766999)
So? Last time i checked AKC registration is not contingent upon DNA screening. All you need to do to to get a litter registered is have two id numbers with full breeding rights and a number of puppies then bam, you say 4 pups they send four slips/applications, you have four pups and say you had 7 then you have 3 extra AKC registrations you can slap on 3 yorkie/chihuahua mixes.... it is also possible for a dog to become pregnant by more than one dog...Were there other breeds in the home of the breeder? next door? Its so not that simple.

If having the AKC registration umbrella means people can charge more for pups, a greedy, dishonest person will do what they need to do to get over.

Browse the classifieds and see how many shady looking "akc" litters are floating around....
It could just be a case of unfortunate genes coming together or a bad photo but I would honestly recommend a parentage dna test to be sure on that one dog.
Thank you for your concern. DNA testing was been done on Mr. Blue. No one has questioned his lineage.

Lovetodream88 08-14-2018 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4766999)
So? Last time i checked AKC registration is not contingent upon DNA screening. All you need to do to to get a litter registered is have two id numbers with full breeding rights and a number of puppies then bam, you say 4 pups they send four slips/applications, you have four pups and say you had 7 then you have 3 extra AKC registrations you can slap on 3 yorkie/chihuahua mixes.... it is also possible for a dog to become pregnant by more than one dog...Were there other breeds in the home of the breeder? next door? Its so not that simple.

If having the AKC registration umbrella means people can charge more for pups, a greedy, dishonest person will do what they need to do to get over.

Browse the classifieds and see how many shady looking "akc" litters are floating around....
It could just be a case of unfortunate genes coming together or a bad photo but I would honestly recommend a parentage dna test to be sure on that one dog.
Pretty sure it’s a bit more then that.

rjwalt 08-14-2018 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4767018)
Pretty sure it’s a bit more then that.

We would all love to think so when dropping thousands of dollars for a dog. The fact is any pair of dogs that is Akc registered with full breeding rights can have their litters registered and no one from AKC questions how many pups are claimed to be born, photo evidence, DNA, or validation from a vet or AKC rep, it's all honor code based.

Please take a gander at the clearly posted requirements on the official website or ask a "reputable breeder" If you are gonna go thread to thread towing the line for the AKC then please be sure to know exactly what that label means and does not mean.

Lovetodream88 08-15-2018 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4767028)
We would all love to think so when dropping thousands of dollars for a dog. The fact is any pair of dogs that is Akc registered with full breeding rights can have their litters registered and no one from AKC questions how many pups are claimed to be born, photo evidence, DNA, or validation from a vet or AKC rep, it's all honor code based.

Please take a gander at the clearly posted requirements on the official website or ask a "reputable breeder" If you are gonna go thread to thread towing the line for the AKC then please be sure to know exactly what that label means and does not mean.
I have yet to drop thousands on a yorkie even the youngest who is AKC because I have my own jaded issues with “reputable” breeders but I will definitely be look into this. It is considered the only reputable registry in the USA and due to how breeders stand behind it I will continue to believe there is more to it until I see differently.

rjwalt 08-15-2018 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4767056)
I have yet to drop thousands on a yorkie even the youngest who is AKC because I have my own jaded issues with “reputable” breeders but I will definitely be look into this. It is considered the only reputable registry in the USA and due to how breeders stand behind it I will continue to believe there is more to it until I see differently.
It's the best we have in terms of documenting lineage but it can be easily frauded. The pet trade is a multimillion dollar business and as with all businesses, people quickly find ways to get over.

The CKC accepts AKC registration and pedigrees in order to get CKC registration. More and more yorkies have CKC registration now because they come from dogs that were only granted limited AKC registration from their breeders with or without spay / neuter contracts......So many CKC dogs actually have pedigrees and bloodlines technically just as good as many AKC dogs.

Lovetodream88 08-15-2018 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4767062)
It's the best we have in terms of documenting lineage but it can be easily frauded. The pet trade is a multimillion dollar business and as with all businesses, people quickly find ways to get over.

The CKC accepts AKC registration and pedigrees in order to get CKC registration. More and more yorkies have CKC registration now because they come from dogs that were only granted limited AKC registration from their breeders with or without spay / neuter contracts......So many CKC dogs actually have pedigrees and bloodlines technically just as good as many AKC dogs.
And many that are not so it’s still a nonreputable registry. Anyway I feel this is going off topic......

rjwalt 08-15-2018 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4767064)
And many that are not so it’s still a nonreputable registry. Anyway I feel this is going off topic......
You seem really stuck on "reputable".Lol It's a cute word but hardly the trump card you make it out to be.

Lovetodream88 08-15-2018 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rjwalt (Post 4767073)
You seem really stuck on "reputable".Lol It's a cute word but hardly the trump card you make it out to be.
Ehhhhh whatever I’m not going to keep going round and round with you. Not worth my time.

Melissac 08-21-2018 12:56 PM
So sad to know this could be a sign of weakened immune system. He is absolutely beautiful. Keep this little one and shower them with love!!


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