Thank you Gemy, SirTeddykins and 107barney for your support to OUR breed. I really appreciate it. :thumbup:

Dianna, I really appreciate your input and most of all for respecting our breed and its "traditional" colors. It is also nice to see that you keep this conversation's level high. This is the only way people can communicate even if they disagree. :)

My belief is that an off standard purebred yorkie IS a YORKSHIRE TERRIER.
Purebred means that it is descended from purebred parents.

This includes ALL purebred yorkies with undesirable traits - even color.
So, it is incorrect to claim that a droped ear yorkie i.e. is not a yorkie because it does not conform to the written standard.
It is incorrect to claim that a yorkie with a roached back, or too light in color, or with a cottony texture, is not a yorkie.
In other words it is incorrect to claim that a PET yorkie is not a YORKIE.
That said, a biewer may very well be considered "purebred" as long as it is descended from PUREBRED parents.

But that alone means nothing.

Purity of blood does not guarantee standard compliance. Nor does DNA testing.

The goal is to collect all desirable traits in one animal. Of course this is impossible, but that is why breeding is such a fascinating hobby.

Breeding traits that WE like but are opposed to the standard, is in conflict with the common goal : perfection in accordance to the written standard.
The creation of the ideal animal, that never did and never will exist.
This striving for perfection kept OUR breed alive till our days and of course popularity helped, which works both ways and its a bit risky.


I can respect that you like a different yorkie even if I disagree.
Besides, this is how all new breeds begun.
But I am really curious to know why don't you try to have these dogs recognized as a different breed?

Mike..
Although my "call or Kennel" name is Greenwood Biewers, I no longer breed Biewers as I was not happy with the health of the Biewer .. I believe they were far to in bred and had many issues I just could not feel comfortable breeding. My focus is on the AKC lines, either Parti or other off colored varieties.. just wanted to get that out there..

In answer to your question above about why not trying to get these dogs recognized as a different breed.. the simple fact is that they are not a different breed. How could they be recognized as a separate and distinct breed when ALL that they are is yorkshire terrier? They come strictly from yorkies (we believe), the DNA and pedigrees attest to this point.. we can't make them into another breed.. they simply are a color variation of the yorkshire terrier. Unfortunately, AKC does not accept color variations as a "breed" and they have already BEEN accepted as a yorkie by AKC and can register as such. It is only the YTCA that doesn't accept them. That's the rub.. they just can't be something they are not.. wish it could be so..I'd do it in an instant!

The BTCA (Biewer Terrier Club of America) is attempting to do that very same thing with the Biewer. They are "saying" that the Biewer is a mixture of other breeds.. thus, they can say that they are a separate and distinct breed.. they have been accepted, at present, into the FSS.. Many in the Biewer Community do not go along with this "theory" nor does history support it. Most believe the Biewer is a yorkshire terrier. The YTCA of course supports the work of the BTCA because they want the Biewer to be as far away from the yorkie as possible.. likewise, they believe, what goes for the Biewer, will go for the parti.

I certainly wish there was an easy answer to this, but I just don't see it.

Diana :animal-pa

You are not alone.

I want a yorkie that looks like the yorkies I grew up with; that my aunts & uncle had, that my Nan had. And I want that same kind of yorkie available to my children and future grandchildren.

The way to make sure that happens is to only support breeders of traditional yorkies. I wouldn't consider buying even the most beautiful traditional yorkie, from someone that breeds partis or chocolates or any colour fault, because I will not fund that kind of breeder. Just like I wouldn't buy even the most beautiful traditional yorkie from a pet store, because I wont fund puppymills.

:thumbup: I couldn't agree more. I too question the lineage of these colour variations.

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Diana, as these dogs express a completely different color opposed to the ones a yorkshire terrier should have, they should be a different breed, and be admired based on this trait.
Take for example Norwich and Norfolk terriers. Their only difference is their ears, even though they both came from the same stock. DNA testing just traces the ingredients used, not desirable traits.

Again, color and texture in Yorkies are of ultimate importance.

Thank you all for your input in the subject :)

I looked up Norwich and Norfolk terriers. Both allow for color variations. There also seems to be a size difference (height) between the breeds.

I used this example because Norfolk and Norwich Terriers were the exact same breed.
Fanciers of the breed argued on one particular trait (it doesn't matter witch) and the breed separated.

Of course nowadays they don't differ only on their ears but on other traits too, such as size and temperament. Each breed developed differently. BUT they were one and the same.

Norwich and Norfolk Terriers JaneDogs

I realize this is an older thread, but I wanted to say that I agree with you Mike, if you are still around. I would like to recognize the breeders who spend days and months and sometime years going over pedigrees, trying to select the best of the best for breeding. They wouldn't breed a dog or bitch with an obvious fault, and if they were "surprised" by an unusual colour or coat texture that puppy would be sold neutered or spade and for less money not more. Just my 2cents.

I wonder why money so often comes up in discussions about coat color. Parti coloring IS rare and I see nothing to criticize about a person who desires a Parti color Yorkie being willing to pay a premium to obtain one.
Also, a de-sexed female dog is SPAYED, not SPADE. What's your backgound in dogs, KathyKelben? What knowledge are you using to back up your comments?

Never mind. I'm not really all that interested.

Whether you are interested or not, I am sorry for my spelling, I obviously wasn't paying attention, and you obviously are too important to offer a useful opinion.

My opinion was expressed earlier in this thread. I don't know how to make it more useful to you. My lastest post was to question your knowledge base.

For the record, I'm not a Parti breeder, but have for many years now questioned the hatred for them. Some are the best, most ethical and consciencious breeders I've ever met!

Again, it's of no consequence to me how you feel about Parti color Yorkies. :)

Your lastest post. My feelings re parti colours are not the point. I was questioning the motives of people who will knowingly breed dogs with known faults When yorkie breeders spend countless hours trying to find the pairs with the least faults.

Yes, OK, fine, you can't answer my question, so let's just forget I asked it.

It's late, I'm tired, good night!:)

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Thank you all of you for your explanation on the Parti Gene. I never knew anything about it. I was just looking for a Yorkie companion. I ran into two that were absolutely adorable. Then the breeder told me that the father had the Parti Gene. The only thing I could see that caught my eye was some white on the dog. I also noted that hair was a bit course. I know that my Yorkie who lived 13 years (with bad health issues), was totally black when I got her. She turned into the most beautiful dog. Of course I never even gave a thought to breeding her. She was only 3# all of her adult life. I cannot imagine I could get a dog so well behaved again. Missy never had any bad habits. I was so thankful that I took the time to train her. I will be doing the same with my new Yorkies.