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YorkieRini 02-24-2006 06:56 PM
Thank you all so much. This is soo hard. I second guess this decision for my own selfish reasons. I don't want to let her go. Having 12 in the house and me working it's so much work for me to keep her as a pet, besides, she would be so good at agility. If I can find her someone that will put her through agility that would make her the happiest. I've been tearing up all day about other issues, I have a friend that has been having a bad week. And then all the nice caring PMs and emails just make me cry even more. I guess I'm just having one of those days. The hugs and kind words feel great! Thanks! I'll be sure to update you on Liberty's new family when they come along :)

Hugs back!!
Irene

whispersmom2 02-24-2006 07:55 PM
Irene, this is my feeling when I have to evaluate a bitch for purposes of using her as a mom.. I am gonna cap. this but not to yell, just to show my strong feelings--I CAN ALWAYS PLACE A DOG AT ANY AGE THAT DOES NOT MATURE OUT AS GOOD BREED STRUCTURE. I CANNOT ALWAYS GET THAT DOG BACK WHEN SHE GETS OLDER AND HAS THAT MUCH PRAYED-FOR GROWTH SPURT! So, I would keep her and watch her...plump her up if her skeletal structure and pelvis will support a pregnancy and whelping.
In th end, you answer to yourself so do what you feel in your heart is right...

YorkieRini 02-24-2006 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by whispersmom2
Irene, this is my feeling when I have to evaluate a bitch for purposes of using her as a mom.. I am gonna cap. this but not to yell, just to show my strong feelings--I CAN ALWAYS PLACE A DOG AT ANY AGE THAT DOES NOT MATURE OUT AS GOOD BREED STRUCTURE. I CANNOT ALWAYS GET THAT DOG BACK WHEN SHE GETS OLDER AND HAS THAT MUCH PRAYED-FOR GROWTH SPURT! So, I would keep her and watch her...plump her up if her skeletal structure and pelvis will support a pregnancy and whelping.
In th end, you answer to yourself so do what you feel in your heart is right...
Thanks Rini. I took her coat down. That's when I noticed she is teenie than I originally thought. I'll take a pic of her this weekend and show you what I mean. She is very small boned and narrow. Comparing her to her sisters I guess I'm just not comfortable with breeding her. You are more experienced than I so you may have a different comfort leve. I appreciate your encouragement. But my heart tells me to place her.

Sherry Lynn 02-25-2006 06:29 AM
Bless your heart, Irene. One of the (many) reasons I've always known I couldn't be a breeder was the thought of giving up the babies. I can't even imagine how hard it must be for you now after having such a bond with Liberty. God bless you.

gymbo68 02-25-2006 08:28 AM
Gee Irene I am so sorry to hear this- I know how important your progrram is to you...big hugs....I am confident you will do what is best- you truly care and that is a good thing-

whispersmom2 02-25-2006 08:30 AM
Irene, I was not saying I would not place her. I was saying that since you do love her so much and since she has probably not finished growing, you can keep her til she is full grown and then IF she does not get large enough, you can still place her. If you place her now and find that she has grown into a size that meets your "comfort level" you will still have her.
My comfort level is not based on how much experience I have but on the size, quality, and other characteristics of the individual dog.

MeganS 02-25-2006 08:35 AM
That is such a hard decision to make! I admire you for doing the right thing for your little girl. I love Biewers!

chattiesmom 02-25-2006 09:01 AM
Wow, how sad. I am so sorry you are faced with this decision. It hurts. sending hugs.....

YorkieRini 02-25-2006 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by whispersmom2
Irene, I was not saying I would not place her. I was saying that since you do love her so much and since she has probably not finished growing, you can keep her til she is full grown and then IF she does not get large enough, you can still place her. If you place her now and find that she has grown into a size that meets your "comfort level" you will still have her.
My comfort level is not based on how much experience I have but on the size, quality, and other characteristics of the individual dog.
I guess we just had a mix up in communications sorry.

SandyTXn 02-25-2006 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by red98vett
I wish you luck !

I wish anyone new to breeding would learn from posts like this...and remember - if a female is just too small.... then don't do it....

I hope things work out for you :)
I agree 100%! You are wonderful to think of that baby first! Best of luck!!!! :)

yorkiemom1970 02-25-2006 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose
Irene, I am sure it is very hard for you to part with a much loved companion...a long time ago I over heard one of my children talking to a puppy and telling her to grow big so she would not have to leave..I felt awful.

OMG, this one took me back... My daughter did the same thing. She was crouched down on the floor with a puppy saying things similar to what you said above; I just went into a bathroom and cried like a darn kid myself.

Irene- hope it all works out for you. It is tough being a breeder, thats for sure. Decisions have to be made at times. We all wish that they were easier to make.
Hugs to you.

annaschaben 03-07-2006 12:37 PM
I'm glad to see that everyone is being so supportive. Some times dogs just shouldn't be breed and the breeder is faced with such a hard decision. Just because you sell a dog that you can't (or won't breed) doesn't mean that you don't care about your dogs, and that you only have them around to make money. It just means that you are responsible. (When I posted that we were going to sell Madie (her teeth didn't all come in) I took a lot of greif. Yes she did get Pregnant, but it was unintentional and those things sometimes happen. However, after her litter is born we plan to have her spayed).

It's breeders like you, and supportive people around you that allow everyone else to have the puppies they love.

I wish everyone could be as supportive as the people who responded to this thread when breeders have to make a tough decision. It is never easy to get rid of something you love, and everybody giving you a bad time makes it worse.

Good luck.

YorkieRini 03-07-2006 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by annaschaben
I'm glad to see that everyone is being so supportive. Some times dogs just shouldn't be breed and the breeder is faced with such a hard decision. Just because you sell a dog that you can't (or won't breed) doesn't mean that you don't care about your dogs, and that you only have them around to make money. It just means that you are responsible. (When I posted that we were going to sell Madie (her teeth didn't all come in) I took a lot of greif. Yes she did get Pregnant, but it was unintentional and those things sometimes happen. However, after her litter is born we plan to have her spayed).

It's breeders like you, and supportive people around you that allow everyone else to have the puppies they love.

I wish everyone could be as supportive as the people who responded to this thread when breeders have to make a tough decision. It is never easy to get rid of something you love, and everybody giving you a bad time makes it worse.

Good luck.
Anna you are so right. We need more support for eachother. We all don't have to follow the same protocol but at least respect one another and support eachother for the most part. There are things I will not support but those are the obvious, lying cheating and stealing in the world of breeding. Accidents happen all the time.

Placing Liberty is a tough decision. She is so narrow in the pelvis area, even if she were 5 pounds now, she's just too narrow for my preference.

Even though the decision is a sad one, this is a positive post. Something I LOVE to see myself!!

Hugs,
Irene

shyorkies 03-07-2006 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by annaschaben
I'm glad to see that everyone is being so supportive. Some times dogs just shouldn't be breed and the breeder is faced with such a hard decision. Just because you sell a dog that you can't (or won't breed) doesn't mean that you don't care about your dogs, and that you only have them around to make money. It just means that you are responsible. (When I posted that we were going to sell Madie (her teeth didn't all come in) I took a lot of greif. Yes she did get Pregnant, but it was unintentional and those things sometimes happen. However, after her litter is born we plan to have her spayed).

It's breeders like you, and supportive people around you that allow everyone else to have the puppies they love.

I wish everyone could be as supportive as the people who responded to this thread when breeders have to make a tough decision. It is never easy to get rid of something you love, and everybody giving you a bad time makes it worse.

Good luck.
AMEN, AMEN!!!! I LOVE your post!
I do NOT know how many times I have personally stated how very much I LOVE my dogs and give them a wonderful home both physically and emtionally.. But if and when there comes a time one of our yorkies does NOT work in our program "THEY DESERVE BETTER!" That does NOT make us a bad breeder, it makes us a loving breeder and one that puts our dogs happiness always first! My dogs are spoiled, given as much attention as possible and always loved! But when they are retired (either because of their size, structure problems, etc.) they deserve a life where they have at least one playmate and a home where they can sleep on the bed every night, go on vacation and always have a loving lap to sit in and NOT have to share it with 3-4 others! Placing one of my yorkies has never been easy, but like I stated if you love them you will give them better!

txshopper73 03-07-2006 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by shyorkies
AMEN, AMEN!!!! I LOVE your post!
I do NOT know how many times I have personally stated how very much I LOVE my dogs and give them a wonderful home both physically and emtionally.. But if and when there comes a time one of our yorkies does NOT work in our program "THEY DESERVE BETTER!" That does NOT make us a bad breeder, it makes us a loving breeder and one that puts our dogs happiness always first! My dogs are spoiled, given as much attention as possible and always loved! But when they are retired (either because of their size, structure problems, etc.) they deserve a life where they have at least one playmate and a home where they can sleep on the bed every night, go on vacation and always have a loving lap to sit in and NOT have to share it with 3-4 others! Placing one of my yorkies has never been easy, but like I stated if you love them you will give them better!
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo: I love Pat's saying...Breeders are cut from a different cloth. Many people do not understand rehoming but it does happen for various reasons.


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