Info on breeder?
 

Anyone have experience with a breeder from Canada, Thundering hills yorkies? She has beautiful babydoll yorkies! Thinking of buying an 8 month old little girl from her!

I have never heard of them...They are all the way in BC! There are many good breeders right here in Ontario...I can recommend at least two for you...pm me for more info. Where in Ontario are you, I'm in Whitby.

If you want to know about any Breeder ask for references. A good Breeder will be more than happy to give you all the references you ask for. I would ask for current references and a couple from maybe 2 yrs back. It is always a safe bet to check out any Breeder you are going to purchase a fur baby from.. Good Luck! :)

References can always be fake.....

True enough, you would have to check and recheck.

Yes references can be fake, but hopefully when you ask for something like that they will not want to put the time in to give you 20 references or however many.. I checked on and talked to quite a few breeders before I finally found one I trusted and bought from.. I liked her so much 2 yrs later I bought another fur baby from her.. Good luck in your search!:)

I love her yorkies too, so sweet! When I enquired a few months ago she said her pups start at $2500 and go up, which I thought was quite expensive. However, I find most breeders in Canada to be quite expensive. She had no puppies at the time but said she had a 6 month old she was willing to sell me but said he was from Korea so had no paper work right now. I didn't like the idea of purchasing one from Korea but I definately would love one of her new pups that were just recently born. Her yorkies are all beautful!

$2500 is nuts for a pet yorkie. A reputable show breeder will charge about $1500 for a pet puppy, health guarantees, registered, usually 70% or more Champions in the 3 or 4 generation pedigree. I am in Canada and know the reputable Canadian breeders, I am located in BC.

Wow. Shipping paperless pups in from Korea?
Is she a broker?

I have to disagree here, I too am in Canada and I find most breeders are in the 1500.00 range. I have also checked into breeders in BC for a friend who lives in Cocquitlam as she wanted a yorkie, same thing around 1500.00. I'm pretty sure Lorraine is out there....she is a breeder. You could pm her and ask for help,I'm sure she knows of other breeders in the BC area.

I guess i missed this post...Thank you Lorraine for clarifying what i had posted. I even told my best friend that lives out there (Cocquitlam) about you...wish I lived there I would contact you in a heartbeat....your babies are gorgeous.

Crazy...Must be a Broker? You are luck to live in BC there breeders right next to you. And you can see the pup. PM Lorraine she will lead you in the right direction. I live in the USA and even I could find a breeder next to you. Korea is a little far;). And they give funny hair cuts:eek:. J/K. But IME the really expensive Yorkies come from Brokers or Backyard breeders. Look at those prices and then look at the " Show Dog" breeders. They seem pretty fair prices.= Cheaper:D and most likely healthier JME

I don't think she is a broker because she breeds them in her home. She has beautiful dogs and owns both parents with full details on each. I think the Korean boy pup was maybe one she had purchased as a future sire? Not too sure as I didn't ask. He was 5 months old and wanted $2500 with possible paper work to follow, she was waiting for them so wasn't sure they would come. It was too much for me and I didn't feel comfortable getting one from Korea. He sure was a cutie though! Here is her website, check it out and tell me what you think
www.thunderinghillqhyorkies.com
I did contact Lorraine but she only had a boy and I preferred a little girl plus her next litter wasn't due till September and I wanted a puppy to train during the summer before I want back to my teaching job in the fall. She was very helpful and her dogs are beautiful as well and yes only $1500 which is very reasonable! I ended up getting my Pippa down in the states but if/when I decide to get another I will definately contact her. While researching breeders in BC and Alberta the ones I came across were asking $1500 and up with girls being on the high side. I really wanted a girl so I was looking at $2000-3000 not sure why girls are more if you are not going to breed? I found in the states they are more like Lorraine's price range of $1500 regardless of sex. I'm sure there are lots of breeders that I missed but that was my experience.:)

Wow! The breeders here in Ontario generally start at 1000.00 for a male and 1500.00 for females. I dont understand the price difference either...I just paid 1500.00 for my Jersey the Biewer up in Niagara Falls. Maybe if a breeder sees this they can explain why the price difference...

I'm very curious about the price difference too. I can see if you are paying for breeding rights but I think all of the breeders I contacted have a mandatory spaying contract so you wouldn't be able to breed the pup even if you wanted to.

I haven't been able to find any Registered breeders who will sell a puppy for under 2000....I am looking for specific things though.

Make a list and post it.

You were told previously though that looking for full breedong rights on champion line dogs with full ownership with the intention of only having dogs to breed for yourself is probably not going to happen though.

Thats like asking someone to invest 20 years in sonething basically religious to them and to hand it over to you for a minimal fee for you to solely bennefit and do whatsoecer you please.

I know it seens obtuse to say it this way but what you're askibg for, if that's what you are ibdeed asking for, is obtuse yo the people you are asking for it from.

There's some middle ground I'm sure that can be found if seek it.

I have said before that I totally want to show, that's why I'm seeking a high quality puppy with champions in its back ground, but I do also want to breed any dog that finishes. I have been doing alot of research into breeders and anything Yorkie for along time and would really like to purchase one soon. I just didn't realize how hard it would be.

Yeah it will be in some aspects even if you do want to show as any show prospect a breeder would retain for themselves.

Most shiw breeders have shared they took over for their mentor or started on a reccomendation from their mentor and co-owning dogs.

Its a hard club to join.

Have you been to a lot of shows and networked like that?

I am sooooo glad I didn't get the Yorkie from Thundering hills as she got the puppy from Starlight Yorkie which I researched and found alot of bad reports about them...Looks like it may be a puppy mill.They will not let you come to there property to view a puppy. !!!!!! No wonder Thundering hills wants to find a new home for her..... Wow research is so important! I even found some treads on here about starlight yorkies!

I don't understand why Thundering Hill buys from others if she breeds her own? The Korean puppy she offered me was 5 months old and now she has a 8 month old from another breeder? Yet she has 2 litters of pups that were just born this past month...weird??? Does anyone know why they would do this? I guess if she wants new dames and sires to breed with?

I think I will take your advise concretegurl.......I need to start making a list of breeders and who I've contacted as I'm getting a little confused....lol

Breeders often buy dogs to breed.
Many cobstantly as line breeding is taboo in many ways for many reasons.

I know many breeders will also jump on that as they do line breed and beleive in it, but the above is why a breeder buys dogs, why breeders co own or trade stud from other lines kennels etc.

More importantly to me is why would she be importing a paperless dog from Korea...huge red flag.

Thanks concretegurl, I am clued out when it comes to breeding:) Do you by any chance know why female pups seem to always cost more than male pups even when there is a spaying contract?

I'd guess because people don't follow the contracts and breed anyways.

I don't know if that's the real answer though.

I'm just passing on what I've learned from breeders.

More people still prefer females, and breeders have less females to sell. They often will keep more females than males for their own breeding program.

I was told by one breeder if her females tend to be a little larger but within the standard she would keep them for her own breeding program, to keep her lines open. The smaller ones would go for sale, but would be held longer than the twelve weeks based on size. Not that she breeds for smaller, but she would keep larger instead of smaller.She told me if they are charting to be under 4lbs..they go for pets only. I liked that about her, but got stuck on Biewers so I wound up going with someone else..she didn't breed Biewers only standard. I guess the reasoning that there are fewer females available would be why they are more expensive.

I don't charge more for females compared to males. Anything I have that I am not keeping is sold for pet. Show breeders who are reputable will do the same thing except some do sell for show/breeding but to people they know well. Too many have been burned trusting their lines to a newcomer and their lines ended up where they should not have been.
It has been a while since I have sold a female for pet. Reason being I haven't had any born for a while now, had a couple of all male litters. That happens.
If you are serious about showing get serious about attending shows, chatting up breeders at the shows, be prepared for co ownership if you do manage convince someone to trust you.

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I for one would need to be retired to breed or show dogs. I can barely keep up with grooming, playing with one Yorkie ...puppy. A herd no way JMO :)
I think big dogs are easier. I can throw the ball far and not worry to much. Yorkies to many dangers ime