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BobbiB 10-11-2014 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4495684)
A lot of issues won't show up until closer to 2 years old but hopefully that won't happen.
Oh, I agree, but I've covered all bases that I can. Just like with my human kids, I know anything can happen with my pup. And I'm more than willing to cross that bridge if we ever come to it. Honestly, I'm more worried about the little wild man hurting himself. He has no fear. Lol.

lynzy420 10-11-2014 02:12 PM
Bobbi, Welcome back! This thread was never about you or your pup (he is a cutie) just as my puppymill pup is, its about the breeder, this breeder is NOT a breeder we would recommend for all the reasons sited. I am glad that you have been blessed with a pup that is so far healthy, of course I am but your good experience etc does not excuse her bad breeding practices, that is all that it is about.

We are not as "insane" as you think, we are cautious and care about the pups, yours included. Again I sincerely hope your pup has a good long healthy life and that you come to see we are all "all about the pups"!!!!

BobbiB 10-11-2014 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4495690)
Bobbi, Welcome back! This thread was never about you or your pup (he is a cutie) just as my puppymill pup is, its about the breeder, this breeder is NOT a breeder we would recommend for all the reasons sited. I am glad that you have been blessed with a pup that is so far healthy, of course I am but your good experience etc does not excuse her bad breeding practices, that is all that it is about.

We are not as "insane" as you think, we are cautious and care about the pups, yours included. Again I sincerely hope your pup has a good long healthy life and that you come to see we are all "all about the pups"!!!!
I know. I have a stinky temper sometimes. My apologies.

lynzy420 10-11-2014 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbiB (Post 4495691)
I know. I have a stinky temper sometimes. My apologies.
:thumbup:

claudia1149 10-25-2014 05:56 PM
Bobbi, Sadly I have seen the horror of this website. Good breeders have been forever damaged because of false claims. I say go with your gut. Trust your instincts. Ignore everything on this website, good or bad. I can tell you that if you post something good about a breeder, a good experience, you are attacked. This just isn't right.

Lovetodream88 10-25-2014 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by claudia1149 (Post 4500196)
Bobbi, Sadly I have seen the horror of this website. Good breeders have been forever damaged because of false claims. I say go with your gut. Trust your instincts. Ignore everything on this website, good or bad. I can tell you that if you post something good about a breeder, a good experience, you are attacked. This just isn't right.
Most of us have experience with badly breed dogs by bad breeders and have seen them suffer because of bad breeders as well as had our heart broken or watch some one have there heart broken. People who are bad breeders have to be called out because we have to stop the damage there doing to the breed and the things there dogs have to suffer with or from. We know what are red flags and what reputable breeders do and don't do. This is an amazing site that has done so much good. I hope every listens or at least thinks about what we say.

lynzy420 10-26-2014 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by claudia1149 (Post 4500196)
Bobbi, Sadly I have seen the horror of this website. Good breeders have been forever damaged because of false claims. I say go with your gut. Trust your instincts. Ignore everything on this website, good or bad. I can tell you that if you post something good about a breeder, a good experience, you are attacked. This just isn't right.

There are many wonderful breeders here and many wonderful breeder reviews...are you a breeder?

francis53 10-26-2014 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by claudia1149 (Post 4500196)
Bobbi, Sadly I have seen the horror of this website. Good breeders have been forever damaged because of false claims. I say go with your gut. Trust your instincts. Ignore everything on this website, good or bad. I can tell you that if you post something good about a breeder, a good experience, you are attacked. This just isn't right.
Sorry, I have to disagree with this. I went with my gut a couple of times and as much as adore my little dogs, I got them from bad breeders, who said all the right things. If I was ever to be looking for a new dog, I would for sure come here and get opinions from persons who probably know much more than I. Also, I have seen lots of breeders praised on here from people that have bought pups from them.

OwnedByJezebel 10-26-2014 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbiB (Post 4466103)
He's nearly nine weeks (Friday) and was vaccinated for the first time today. I chose to bring him home this week. He is also two pounds already. I am full time stay at home, he has been eating since five and a half weeks and I have plenty of time to devote to him daily. He is also already insured through Embrace, I will be getting my own genetic testing (even though he will be fixed) just for my own piece of mind.

I understand how strongly some of you feel about certain things, but I am fully prepared for bringing this pup home.

I'm off to bed now...we've got a long day tomorrow. Have a good night, everyone.
Sheldon sure is cute.

I notice you said earlier that the breeder does genetic testing, and you were going to have it done as well. I'm curious about what kind of genetic testing they did and what you are going to have done.

Genetic testing can be reliably used to prove parentage and to identify the breed (with sometimes questionable results), but what else can be proven by genetic testing? With liver shunt, LP, legg calve perthes, etc. while they are known to be genetic, the genes that cause these ailments have not been identified.

So the breeder's claim to do genetic testing -- what exactly did that prove health-wise WRT her pups? The only benefit I can see is if she needed to prove parentage, but I don't think any health claims can be made based on what is known at this point, and I think you would be wasting your money to have Sheldon genetically tested.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they have isolated/identified the genes that cause these major ailments.

BobbiB 10-26-2014 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 4500376)
Sheldon sure is cute.

I notice you said earlier that the breeder does genetic testing, and you were going to have it done as well. I'm curious about what kind of genetic testing they did and what you are going to have done.

Genetic testing can be reliably used to prove parentage and to identify the breed (with sometimes questionable results), but what else can be proven by genetic testing? With liver shunt, LP, legg calve perthes, etc. while they are known to be genetic, the genes that cause these ailments have not been identified.

So the breeder's claim to do genetic testing -- what exactly did that prove health-wise WRT her pups? The only benefit I can see is if she needed to prove parentage, but I don't think any health claims can be made based on what is known at this point, and I think you would be wasting your money to have Sheldon genetically tested.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they have isolated/identified the genes that cause these major ailments.
We actually (we being my vet and I) decided not to DNA (I was confused in the earlier stages about what tests identify what), but I did have BAT done myself, and his knees are checked every visit and have been fine. He also had other blood tests when they did his panel, but I honestly can't remember what they were at the moment. Again, I can only speak for my own experience, and again I'm sure someone will feel the need to point out that Sheldon is still young, but my dog is very healthy, and Terry has been nothing but knowledgable, friendly, and helpful through the entire process. We actually still touch base from time to time because she kept Sheldon's sister.

I'm still very happy with my decision to get Sheldon. He has been nothing but an absolute joy.

gemy 10-26-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 4500376)
Sheldon sure is cute.

I notice you said earlier that the breeder does genetic testing, and you were going to have it done as well. I'm curious about what kind of genetic testing they did and what you are going to have done.

Genetic testing can be reliably used to prove parentage and to identify the breed (with sometimes questionable results), but what else can be proven by genetic testing? With liver shunt, LP, legg calve perthes, etc. while they are known to be genetic, the genes that cause these ailments have not been identified.

So the breeder's claim to do genetic testing -- what exactly did that prove health-wise WRT her pups? The only benefit I can see is if she needed to prove parentage, but I don't think any health claims can be made based on what is known at this point, and I think you would be wasting your money to have Sheldon genetically tested.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they have isolated/identified the genes that cause these major ailments.

You are correct in that for the major diseases you mentioned there are no genetic tests, only health screenings can be done and should be done so that you know that your breeding pair are clear of these diseases at the time of mating. There is a genetic test for CDA Color Dilution Alopecia, and one for Hyperuricosuria(which Yorkies are not predominately affected by), and I think PRA - how-ever you would still need the eye exams to rule out cataracts and other inheritable eye disease.

GreenwoodBiewer 11-17-2014 03:41 PM
[QUOTE=shelbysmom;4487098]The biggest red flag I see is she calls the dogs Biewer Yorkies? I thought we established that a Biewer is not a Yorkie? She sounds less than legit if she is not following the breeding program that the AKC has accepted. Some of her pups are adorable but some do not look like quality Biewer Terriers.

Sorry, but this is not a true statement and it's not good to have mis information out there.. The dogs original name was/is Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon.. they are yorkshire terriers.. there are people who claim to have something called a Biewer Terrier.. not exactly sure WHAT that dog is made up of but, the original Biewers were yorkies.. This person may be breeding the original Biewers from Germany, not whatever the Biewer Terrier is. Sorry to get a bit off topic, but again, not sure who established the Biewer was not a yorkie?

Diana:animal-pa

OwnedByJezebel 11-18-2014 07:34 AM
https://www.akc.org/breeds/biewer_terrier/index.cfm

GreenwoodBiewer 11-18-2014 09:19 AM
sorry.. don't want to take away from this thread by getting into this debate. It's not going to be settled here.

BobbiB 11-22-2014 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 4506775)
sorry.. don't want to take away from this thread by getting into this debate. It's not going to be settled here.
I get what you are saying.

Some people still use the "Yorkie" in the name more as a familiarity thing, imo. The lineage is Yorkie, the original name contained Yorkie, and *some* clubs still use Yorkie. I do not see the fact that someone calls them Biewer Yorkies as a huge red flag, but that's just my humble opinion.


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