I took this to mean people that buy Yorkie and want to breed it, they go and buy a mate and then breed. Just because 'AMerica is a free country' doesn't give anyone the right to breed carelessly. These are living breathing beings. If people that are so careless about breeding then I tend to think the will be just as careless in when selecting a home for them. Many of those in Shelters or Rescuses are there to be dumped off because their owner wasn't selected carefully. I know some are there for other reasons as well but most of them are there because they were turned over for a buck. So sad!! Some don't look like Yorkies because the breeder was not concerned about breeding to improve on the breed and it shows. I cry everytime I go to the rescue sites. I read all the stories and my eyes fill up with tears. It will be a cold day in H*** before one of my babies ends up in a place like that.

Let's try to stay on this topic. We had some really good opinions and insight. The YTCA has nothing to do with this. It boils down to responisibility. I prefer to categorize breeders into 2 groups. Responsible and Irresponsible. Not Show, Hobby, BYB, Puppymill, that's splitting hairs.

Irene

Im not trying to offend anybody! :) I just stated my opinion. THIS IS NOT TOWARDS ANYBODY OR ANYTHING....just stating! :D :D :D I know how you all are! LMAOLMAOLMAO :D :D :D :D

Alright then...enough said. I am just trying to defend breeders who are responsible and not careless and who do not just 'throw ANY 2 dogs together.'

I respectfully disagree with this statement.

Please refer to page 4 of this thread and read from someone that has dealt personally with a reproductive specialist.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...4&page=1&pp=15

I know you are! :D :D No complaints from me!

well trying not to offend but i disagree with this also....it doesnt make it right to breed small dogs even if the pups only grow to the size of the womb To me thats inhuman as well!!!!!

nevermind! had a pre-menopausal moment! :D

LOLOL...we all have those...I have them ALL the time.. :D :D :D :D

Thanks. I didn't mean to step on your toes at all. :eek: I respect your point of view very much and was just interested in why you felt that way as it was not totally clear to me, but I think I get the gist? jist? now. ;)
I think I have somehow developed a nack for being able to tick off some here lately for some reason, not intentionally. :(

Thanks YTsirk27 for the clarification.

YorkieRini~ The reason the YTCA is relevant to the discussion is because the only "standard" that currently exists for the breed is the one set forth by the YTCA. I understand wanting to say on topic but the thread started included that in her first post. I also would prefer to define responsible and irresponsible, but most breeder who agree with the YTCA syandard will assume that anyone who does not s irresponsible which i do not agree with.

Here is the quote from the reporductive specialist:

Bill Sones and Rich Sones
Richmond.com
Saturday, October 15, 2005
Q. From a Spokane, Washington reader: Recently I have noticed a lot of media attention given to artificially inseminated mixed-breed dogs. If a very small dog like a teacup poodle is inseminated with a large breed dog like a St. Bernard, would the mother (1) abort (2) have one live birth puppy (3) have her life endangered?"

A. Generally not one and three, more likely two which may also include a litter of live births, says animal reproduction specialist Dr. Margaret V. Root Kustritz, University of Minnesota small animal theriogenologist (from the Greek therio = beast, gen = birth, ology = study of). "I get this question all the time. Dogs are plenty driven by urges to breed or be bred regardless of their mismatched sizes so artificial insemination might not even be necessary."

Once the female is pregnant, the puppies will grow to the size available to them, so even though it seems counterintuitive, a small female dog can carry pups from a giant breed male dog. Even where there is no size mismatch, says Kustritz, if a female dog has only one pup, it will grow to fill the space, thus becoming larger and more likely to cause dystocia (difficulty whelping) than would pups from a large litter.

This is what I was referring to. Even if it is a 6 lb female...if she only produces one pup it will grow to fill the size of the space.

I agree with Irene, there are responsible (reputable) and irresponsible (unreputable) breeders.. I worked as a vet tech for years and I have learnt for #1 just because someone pays money for a animal (pet) does NOT mean they will take care of it! The #2 thing I have learnt is that there are alot of so-called breeders that just breed for the MONEY and NO other reason! They do NOT research the yorkshire terrier standard, they do NOT research the bloodlines to know if they are buying a healthy breeder or NOT! The thing that gets me the most is if you call an ad in the paper or ads on the internet as well and ask them about their pups and what lines are in them "THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY BLOODLINES OR PEDIGREE!".. They are just throwing two dogs together getting a litter of puppies and sell them.. I have also notice how MANY people place their puppies WITHOUT them being checked by a licensed Vet or doing any kind of blood work-up to make sure the pet is a healthy pet.. I have also noticed that alot of the yorkies in rescues are yorkies that came from IRREPSONSIBLE BREEDERS! People purchase a yorkie without doing the proper research needed to know they are purchasing from a responsible breeder.. I NEVER place one of my yorkies with someone that knows nothing about the breed.. If a prospective new owner is educated on the breed and is dealing with a responsible breeder you have more of a chance the dog is going to a EXCELLENT LOVING FOREVER HOME!

I always tell prospective owners to NEVER purchase a pup from someone that will NOT guarantee the dog they are buying, I do not care if it is $500.00 or $3000.00! I also have an open door policy and it is in my 3 page contract.. I do NOT ever want one of my babies in a rescue, shelter or put down because someone no longer wants to take of them! I not only do alittle breeding, show on a small scale, but we also do rescue.. We have 7 rescues in our home right now from people that no longer wanted to remain responsble for them.. I took in a collie in May of 1998 that had been bred until she could no longer carrier a litter, beat and dump on a county road in Howard County! I still have my Holly to this day.. :)

One last note if you are a breeder and you doing everything right by your dogs and you are a responsible breeder "YOU DO NOT EVER MAKE A PROFIT!".. What little I do have goes to my wonderful vet, Dr. Mohr or back into my dogs! my dogs live in my home, have a very good life and are treated better then my husband, just ask him! ;)

Melanie

That would depend on what you consider "profit" to be. If I were to consider "profit" to be money made to pocket, to spend, etc, then no, by having bred Trixie I did not profit. If you consider "profit" to be a healthy litter of pups that will have new owner just as excited about them as I am, then yeah, I made a huge profit. I also consider my "profit" to be getting enough money from the pups that I have covered the vet/supply/time expenses. (Although the time spent has been priceless...something I would have paid out to have the pleasure of being around for.) As far as 'breaking even,' or whatever you want to call it...I was extremely lucky in that area. Trixie had the 'perfect' pregnancy/delivery, so to say...textbook as close as you could get it...no problems w/ delivery, no stillborn or lost pups, no health concerns, etc. I only wish others could be as lucky. The biggest 'profit' I have gotten is seeing the pups grow, seeing the faces of those who will be their new owners and talking with them realizing they love the breed as much as I do. And knowing they are all going to great homes! That is the only profit I ask for. :)

How long have you been breeding and how many litters have you had? Just curious.

You are exactly right.. I just never thought of that as being a profit, but I guess you could! I have just always thought about that as being my joy or reward.. ;)

Melanie

Good point. I charge more for my pups to get money back to continue giving the best care I can for my YOrkies and my breeding program. The 'bad' profit is when you can afford to build a new home and drive a Lexus because you are mass producing pups. There is a huge broker in our area that makes mega money off buying and reselling yorkies for 3-4 times the amout she paid. It's sick. She just build a new home a couple years back at the expense of poor innocent puppies that were shipped to her in wooden crates. She would pay a few hundred dollars and sells them for thousands.

Irene