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taxlady 03-17-2012 08:55 PM
AKC Registration
 
Question, how does a breeder determine that puppies or a puppy from a specific litter or rather THEIR (dogs puppies) puppies could not be AKC registered? Am I making sense here? Any way, Sprocket was AKC registered by his breeder but his AKC form says that his puppies could not be registered. Both Sprockets dam and sire are registered with what looks like DNA #'s after the registration #. Those who know, can you tell me, or tell me where to ask why? Thanks so much.

Yorkiemom1 03-17-2012 09:19 PM
Limited registration, spay/neuter contract....cant be used for breeding. If you DO breed him, the puppies cant be registered.

jencar98 03-18-2012 03:39 AM
When the breeder registers the litter she selects either "full" or "limited" registration depending upon the breeders ethics. Responsible breeders will not sell pups with full registration. Limited registration helps the breeder to protect their breeding program.

taxlady 03-18-2012 10:24 PM
Thanks so much, I hadn't planned on breeding him, fact is one of the first things I did was to have him neutered. I personally believe it's a health issue for the dog. I just wanted to know the why of not being able to register the pups if I chose to have them. But what you say makes sense.

maggiesmom_2007 03-19-2012 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by taxlady (Post 3853259)
Question, how does a breeder determine that puppies or a puppy from a specific litter or rather THEIR (dogs puppies) puppies could not be AKC registered? Am I making sense here? Any way, Sprocket was AKC registered by his breeder but his AKC form says that his puppies could not be registered. Both Sprockets dam and sire are registered with what looks like DNA #'s after the registration #. Those who know, can you tell me, or tell me where to ask why? Thanks so much.
When a responsible breeder has a litter of pups most times they are using a stud from certain long standing lines. Alot of work has gone into producing the best example of the standard , so to protect the stud owners lines, or your lines it is best to have any pups you are not keeping for show registered on limited registration and /or fixed before they go to their new homes. I for one will not sell a dog on open registration. I did have a pet person ask me why breeders do that because to them it is as if the breeder is making that choice for you , and they would rather make that decision themselves. My response was this. Some breeders work a long time at establishing the look and type they want that closely resembles the standard and there are too many unscrupulous people out there that are basically thinking of only the money side of it all. But we know there isn't much to be made in breeding if you are doing it the right way. I then added when you adopt a dog from the shelter or a rescue the dog comes spayed or neutered so why is that different than getting a dog from a responsible breeder and them expecting it to be done.

Yorkiemom1 03-19-2012 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 3854357)
When a responsible breeder has a litter of pups most times they are using a stud from certain long standing lines. Alot of work has gone into producing the best example of the standard , so to protect the stud owners lines, or your lines it is best to have any pups you are not keeping for show registered on limited registration and /or fixed before they go to their new homes. I for one will not sell a dog on open registration. I did have a pet person ask me why breeders do that because to them it is as if the breeder is making that choice for you , and they would rather make that decision themselves. My response was this. Some breeders work a long time at establishing the look and type they want that closely resembles the standard and there are too many unscrupulous people out there that are basically thinking of only the money side of it all. But we know there isn't much to be made in breeding if you are doing it the right way. I then added when you adopt a dog from the shelter or a rescue the dog comes spayed or neutered so why is that different than getting a dog from a responsible breeder and them expecting it to be done.
Also, if you take my puppy, whose parents have had every test known to modern medicine, and who practically has blue blood flowing through his/her veins, and breed him/her to Aunt Tizzys little yorkie she found wandering down the street, and you end up with three legged pups that have liver shunts, and blind in one eye, you will be running all over town telling people my breeding program throws babies with genetic abnormalities! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!! Tooo much time, education, work, and sleepless nights have gone into my puppies!

taxlady 03-19-2012 10:10 PM
I agree with your points on the blood lines and being responsible, I believe in the neutering as a health issue and had not considered it from your point the "blood line". But it is a good one and with out that very "minor" :rolleyes: statement on Sprocket's papers, I would have never have had the chance to have had him in my life and I would have been much poorer for that. Sprocket would have had a MUCH different life! Again guys thanks for the info.

smartpuppiepets 03-20-2012 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by taxlady (Post 3854165)
Thanks so much, I hadn't planned on breeding him, fact is one of the first things I did was to have him neutered. I personally believe it's a health issue for the dog. I just wanted to know the why of not being able to register the pups if I chose to have them. But what you say makes sense.
I am pretty sure you discussed this with the breeder before getting your puppy and the breeder gave you the AKC papers in accordance to what was agreed between both parties. If you change your mind and decide to breed your dog afterwords, you would have to consult the breeder again and see if they would be willing to allow you to do so. If they do not allow it would be very unethical of a dog owner to go ahead and breed a "limited registration dog" behind the breeders back.
I am sure that you understood it all and your question was just a matter of really getting clear something you were not really familiar with.
As others have said, breeders reserve the right to allow or not further offspring to be born based in so many factors, most of the time it is in the best interest of said dog or puppy and limited registration is done to protect the dogs and puppies from predators.
XOXO

KazzyK810 03-20-2012 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 3854357)
My response was this. Some breeders work a long time at establishing the look and type they want that closely resembles the standard and there are too many unscrupulous people out there that are basically thinking of only the money side of it all. But we know there isn't much to be made in breeding if you are doing it the right way. I then added when you adopt a dog from the shelter or a rescue the dog comes spayed or neutered so why is that different than getting a dog from a responsible breeder and them expecting it to be done.
This is not always true. The shelters around me sell dogs (and cats) are at not spayed or neutered. It is my biggest gripe about them. My FB feed is full of my animal loving friends posting pics of animals available in Genesee & Lapeer county, and the majority of them are listed at not spayed or neutered. It sickens me.

maggiesmom_2007 03-21-2012 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3855727)
This is not always true. The shelters around me sell dogs (and cats) are at not spayed or neutered. It is my biggest gripe about them. My FB feed is full of my animal loving friends posting pics of animals available in Genesee & Lapeer county, and the majority of them are listed at not spayed or neutered. It sickens me.

I was speaking from my own experience . All the shelters here in Wayne county require the dog or cat be spayed or neutered before going to their new homes. Plus most of the rescues I have dealt with also require this as well. It sickens me also, but I for one will be making sure any pup I sell gets spayed or neutered before leaving my home. My co breeder and I are both adamant about protecting her lines, the beginning of my lines and the lines we were both entrusted with.

taxlady 03-21-2012 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 3855694)
I am pretty sure you discussed this with the breeder before getting your puppy and the breeder gave you the AKC papers in accordance to what was agreed between both parties. If you change your mind and decide to breed your dog afterwords, you would have to consult the breeder again and see if they would be willing to allow you to do so. If they do not allow it would be very unethical of a dog owner to go ahead and breed a "limited registration dog" behind the breeders back.
I am sure that you understood it all and your question was just a matter of really getting clear something you were not really familiar with.
As others have said, breeders reserve the right to allow or not further offspring to be born based in so many factors, most of the time it is in the best interest of said dog or puppy and limited registration is done to protect the dogs and puppies from predators.
XOXO
Your info probably was true the 1st time Sprocket was sold, but not every time there after, we were his 4th home, one step away from the shelter if a good home could not have been found. We were VERY lucky to have him, he is so loving, those of you who have dogs who have been rehomed, for what ever reason, know what I mean. I was just so surprised to have gotten his AKC papers too! And I didn't know anything about them or little dogs LOL :eek:, oh well, I have learned, Sprocket has been a good teacher :rolleyes: and I have gotten so much info here on YT. I was totally ignorant and am still learning from so many very patient teachers. Thanks always for your help.

smartpuppiepets 03-22-2012 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by taxlady (Post 3857192)
Your info probably was true the 1st time Sprocket was sold, but not every time there after, we were his 4th home, one step away from the shelter if a good home could not have been found. We were VERY lucky to have him, he is so loving, those of you who have dogs who have been rehomed, for what ever reason, know what I mean. I was just so surprised to have gotten his AKC papers too! And I didn't know anything about them or little dogs LOL :eek:, oh well, I have learned, Sprocket has been a good teacher :rolleyes: and I have gotten so much info here on YT. I was totally ignorant and am still learning from so many very patient teachers. Thanks always for your help.
oh, new information that changes the picture entirely. One great news is that you were able to give this puppy his final deserved permanent home.
Just for future information, most responsible breeders, and my self, never place a puppy without a "must return to me" clause in our contract , meaning if life comes at you and things change and the puppy or dog needs to be re-homed, it must return to us so we make sure that it does not bounce from home to home and never ends up in a shelter. Life comes with unexpected changes, we understand it , we just want to make sure none of our puppies end up being re-homed or in a shelter and that is always our responsibility.
I am sure you are learning a lot and will be a very well informed pet owner :)
Hopefully i just added a important new information to be well used in the future.
Good luck with your family addition, no matter how the rough start happened, yorkies are a gift from heaven into someone's life ! I am sure you already love him to pieces !
XOXO


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