Larger dogs having c-sections.
 

Ok I figured it out. How many of you have larger dogs Yorkies or other that had to have a c-section. Five pounds & over.

It happens a lot with a bitch who is fat. Just like humans your chance for a c-section will increase when the mom is overweight and out of shape before her pregnancy. Being too young or too old can also increase the chance of a c-section

Oops...where's the poll? s this supposed to be a poll?

okay. Well I don't want to be rude or anything. But any unhealthy dog due to being overweight, old, or too young would have problems. Shouldn't this poll compare healthy dogs to other healthy ones?

OMG!!!

Well Kim I wasen't sure how to get on going so I just put it out here & it didn't end up right. Maybe it can be a discussion.

I'm unclear on what's being asked. I thought that you wanted to see if larger dogs end up getting c-sections as well as tinies.

in order to do a poll, start the thread then click on the bottom where it says "poll" then fill it in. hope this helps

Why just limit it to 5 lbs or over? Why not TINIES??????? :rolleyes:

Never had a c-section on mine.

Friend had one done on her 4 lber and with her other 4 lber, they pulled for over an hour to get the pup out!

Poll or not?
 

As I have mentioned before I know of a breeder that schedules c-sections without ever allowing her dogs to start labor. She said she does it so her dogs won't have to go through so much pain.

Guess SHE never went through a c-section. :(

They have 4 litters each this way.

Absolutely disgusting! :mad: :thumbdown :mad: :thumbdown :mad:

I have always heard c-sections are more risky and more painful for the dog. I think I know why that doctor does it, $$$$$.

Let me clarify this is NOT me by they way..I don't schedule sections. Someone started a rumor that I had 5 sections on a female and I wonder if they saw this and assumed.. :confused:

C sections can be required on any bitch even the larger sized Yorkie female. Mine usually free whelp but I have had two in 10 years of breeding that had to have a section. Both were six lbs both were 2 years old, both were in good shape with no known history in the previous pedigree of there being sections required.
In both cases, the bitch went into labour, pushed out the bubble then shut down, labour stopped and the vet gave alittle oxytocin, still no labour. This was in 1995 and the bitch had two puppies in there, both were pretty big and the Vet thought likely to do with size of the pups. So a section was done but the Vet assured me she could free whelp next time. I waited a year, bred her again, this time three puppies, they were a little smaller but same scenario. THe problem now was determined she had uterine inertia where labour starts but stops and she closed up again so pups had to be sectioned. I don't breed if I find out they can't free whelp so she was spayed.
I have another bitch now that had her second litter last Sept. First litter, section was required but both pups were dead, one quite early in the pregnancy. the Vet thought that's why labour never really proceeded as it should have. Bad luck, I waited a year bred her again, two live pups but had to go csection as she also had uterine inertia which I knew what it was from the first experience. She was spayed early this month, I won't breed her again.
BUt there can be different reasons for Csection. A pup can be too big, get turned the wrong way blocking the birth canal or if there are many puppies, the dam may not have the energy to finish pushing them all out. With a large litter there is the danger of the uterus rupturing and if that happens you better get in there quick as you can lose the dam pups and all. To know if that is possibly happening, you have to know labour isn't going the way it should be.

I respect everyone on this forum. I really do.

However...I have to ask: How can you continue to do this? If I have a bitch that has problems from the beginning, or has had a c-sec , i'm gonna spay. NO MORE!

A bitch can easily free whelp a first or second litter but can run into trouble in any whelping where a c-section is required. Conversely, a C section first time out doesn't mean a c-section will always be required. My decision to try a second breeding in both cases I shared was the result of consulting with my Veterinarian (two different ones) and it was felt they could free whelp. When we realized they wouldn't be able to, they were spayed.
I am not sure if your comment How I can continue to do this? was directed at me as I am not continuing to do anything. As I said I have had a total of two (2) different bitches in 10 years of breeding, first one was in 1995. The second bitch almost 10 years later, had her first section in 2004 and when I tried breeding her again in 2005 it became obvious after that failed free whelp resulting in a section that a section would happen if she were bred again and neither were when it was obvious they won't be able to freewhelp.
As I said before, one c section does not mean for sure they won't freewhelp and a free whelp does not in any way ensure there won't be a csection next breeding or somewhere further down the road. If there were no doubt a second pregnancy would require a csection I would never have entertained a second pregnancy. I have no interest in putting my bitches through a csection if I know that will happen, I have had free whelpers and a section is hard on a bitch.
So I am not sure if I am clear in what I am saying. A free whelp is no assurance that it will always be so; a csection can sometimes be a one time thing and a freewhelp can follow the next time a breeding takes place. Certainly you can decide after a section not to breed again. I would never recommend more than a second try, two sections are quite enough for a bitch to go through.
Also, don't be lulled into thinking a free whelp is assurance that a bitch will be fine after delivery. That may not be so and there is risks involved that the puppies may not all survive after live birth either. Anything can go wrong in that first month or two even after whelping and there is always a certain risk to both the mother and the pups in any breeding/whelping.
After a free whelp there is still risk of sudden haemmoraging, if you don't know what low calcium looks like and some are predisposed to the problem, you can lose your free whelping bitch very quickly, if the uterus wasn't cleaned out well enough after whelping pyometria can set in and bring her down real fast and you can lose her if you don't know what is happening. those are just a few examples of what can go wrong, c section or not.

Looking at the original date (12-3-05) of this thread, I was scratching my head :confused: trying to understand how it could be..then when I saw my post, I remembered it was on the Poll Forum.

I also started this thread 1-3-06 about c-sections it opened up a whole lotta conversation..it's a must read ;) if it were a book, it would be on the Best Seller's List for sure!

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27132

WOW! Lorraine, thank you for all that info.

This is how we really have to think about "what can go wrong, c section or not".

The link to the thread I started has no where near this information.