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Tail Docking - Question for breeders. I have a question regarding tail docking, or , more specifically, not docking. My Tashi doesn't have her tail docked, and it's honestly one of my favorite features about her. It's fluffy and waggy and she lops me in the face with it most mornings :P If an excellent home came to you and you had an upcoming litter, the person either put down a deposit or paid in full but asked you if it would be possible to not dock a tail, would you do it? I understand that if the dog were to be in any way a show dog this wouldn't make sense, but for a pet, would you consider it? ETA: I apologize if this is a sensitive issue or a topic of heated debate. If it is, feel free to close or delete my thread. I am just curious and I searched tail-docking in this sub-topic and didn't find an answer. |
I dock the tails because is a requirement from the AKC, but if I had a customer request that the dog would not be dock, yes I would do it.. if AKC would change their rules I would be so happy...:DI hate the whole docking issue.. hugs, |
I don't always dock-- I have many fine European import Yorkies here with their full tails. Docking is illegal there. Docked dogs can no longer compete in Europe and US breeders are finally figuring out this is hurting them, so this will likely be addressed quite soon by the YTCA. I leave full tails on my puppies when I feel like it and certainly would comply with a special request from a customer. Very few people coming here for puppies have objected to the full tail and most actually prefer it after the controversy is explained to them. |
Not exactly Yorkie related but with our first litter of Australian Shepherds, two of them were going to Germany. She requested early on that they not be docked because of the European rules. I had no problem with that since I was sure of her intentions to purchase. Only thing though, you don't always know who is going to buy which pup (especially in the case of Yorkies that all kinda look the same when born - unlike Aussies of different colors) so you would have to have a very solid agreement and deposit on a specific one to not dock the tail. I would hate to not dock it and then the person back out and you not have any other interested buyers who want a full tail. All that said, I personally like the docked tail the best. I understand people's concerns about it but having been standing with the vet when he did the two litters of Aussies we've had (minus the Germany ones), I didn't think that there was much pain involved. Kinda like a baby boy's circumcision... really glad though I had girls and didn't have to make that choice. ;) |
I have my puppies tails docked at their initial wellness exam, which is done usually a day or two after they're born. I don't accept deposits on puppies until they're at least two weeks old, so while I would be happy to honor the request by the time I'd get to that point it would already be done. |
Thank you very kindly for your responses :) To (hopefully) repay you, I'll copy this from the website of one of the Pom breeders who's lines my mom really liked: Quote:
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I love the tail! Such a good question:) I always wondered if it it was ok to ask the breeder to leave it:) |
When looking at Silky's, I had a few breeders tell me they would leave a tail for me if paid in full first. What would concern me about that is having a breeder not dock a pup, then it gets to about 8-12 weeks old, and the pup is not a fit for my home. lol. That would kind of suck. :( I am sure they would find a nice home, as most people I talk to prefer natural tails. So many that see Jackson and his long tail compliment him and say they wished they all were like that. I also watch a Rottweiler whom they had requested to keep the long tail from the breeder. |
Docking and cropping is a hot topic all over North America. As a breeder of a docked breed (not Yorkies), I would like to take into account a purchaser's wish to not dock, but as I do it at 3 days old, it is impossible to know what dogs I think are show worthy, and which are not, I can't know this for our breed until at least 8wks old, But as I said, things are changing, North America is feeling the pressure from Europe on the docking and cropping. If I have an excellent example of my breed, if I dock the tail, I can't show in Europe and secure International Titles on my dogs. It is a sobering reality. Personally for me I love Yorkies with a long tail or a cropped one, no particular preference for me. With my breed I absolutely love the docked tail. |
Like gemy said this is hot topic among breeders all over the US. Personally Whether they cahnge it or not really makes no difference to me. But being that I breed for myself first and foremost and I show my own dogs, tail docking gets done between 3 to 5 days. I have no way of knowing if any will be show worthy . Since the standard states tails docked to medium length that is what I will continue to do. |
I was never happier than when they banned docking here (I'm that sad and pathetic I am being literal here btw!). my little Toby had a docked tail, and they were docked shorter here than US, and his had been done so short he could hardly even make his little wagger go when he was happy- until he was 5 he never even put much effort into trying- until he saw kuki using her wagger! I would love to some day buy a puppy from US (and fly over to get her- an excuse for a holiday!) but it will hopefully be after the days of docking are over, although a medium-docked does still look lovely, but I couldn't show her... But at least it seems to work like a wagger should!! |
The AKC usually only rubber stamp the breed standard that has been agreed and submitted by Breed Clubs. It is therefore up to the Breed Clubs to seek for agreement amongst their members for compulsory tail docking to be removed from the breed standard and a tail standard type (carriage, length, movement) substituted instead. Unfortunately this is never as easy as it sounds as there are always traditional die hards amongst the heirarchy who will never agree to change. Therefore to make it compulsory in countries that have banned the practice it has taken governmenal legislation. In countries where Veterinary Colleges have stipulated that Vets should not carry out the procedure breeders are known to do it themselves. By banning the showing of docked dogs through legislation, show breeders have had to accept that in order to compete and gain merit for their stock they can no longer dock. As more dogs are seen with tails in the community it makes it easier to trace those breeders (not usually show ones) who are flouting the law. There are no statistics available for deaths or permanent injury resulting from docking for obvious reasons. Anti-Docking Alliance Web Site |
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