Couldn't it also be true that she wasn't giving papers because the dog comes with no breeding rights? Joey was sold on limited registration, meaning I could register him, but his offspring could never be registered. This is one of the reasons I encourage people to look for breeders who only sell on limited registration. They care about what happens to their dogs, and understand they are morally responsible for any dogs their dogs produce. Of course if you are looking to become a breeder, you have to find a breeder who is willing to mentor you, and usually you will not have full rights until you have shown that the dog is breeding worthy, and this usually means, by having health tests and showing. The Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) is comparable to the American Kennel Club (AKC) but the Continental Kennel Club (CKC) is considered a paper registry. These dogs are sold in both Canada and the United States, and I believe the registry was named that to mislead the unsuspecting public, but there is not real proof needed that they are indeed purebreds.

Another reputable Canadian breeder that is a member here just mentioned that there is a code of ethics that one must follow if you are a member of the CKC. And you must pay, I think she said $50.00 just to be a member. So, with that and the cost of registering a litter, those reasons among others would be why not so reputable breeders would resist being a member of the CKC.

The $50.00 is an annual fee.

@Mardline... I've noticed a few great breeders on Kijiji her in Alberta, but similar to what you mentioned ALL of their litters are registered or come with the papers needed and health garuntees/insurance for a year. Also most are on limited registrations with spay/neuter contracts... but then the ones that you can tell are just in it for money usually ask for extra money to register your pup, or simple say "parents registered, pups not" or "non registered" And I don't want to be THAT person lol.

@Nancy1999 Yeah, that's another reason I would like to speak to the breeder. Maybe she sold this puppy on a spay contract... which her owners didn't tell me about. Or maybe she did have registration papers but the family lost them or just didn't give a crap.

So frustrating... even though I do believe at this point I will NOT breed her just to the simple fact her history may not be to par and not word from the prev. owner. She is still amazing, but if her previous owners don't get back to me then I will know nothing more than I do now. I have thought about facebooking them as their email is connected to that account... but they might find that really creeping lol.

You can PM Lorraine here on YT - she's a YTCA, CYTA, and CKC member. She'll give you the low down on Kajii.....

Not sure who you consider the great breeders that you reference. But, I'm sure that the likes of Pastoral, Squirrel's NikNac & Durrer do not advertise in Kajiji...these are considered the greats of Canada.

Well again, a reputable Canadian breeder is required by our ethics to provide all the paperwork, and that includes registration paperwork, when selling a purebred. The transfer of ownership should be signed at the time you pick up your pup (and yes we sell on limited registration-nonbreeding contracts) which by the way is another thing you must have in place a contract. Now some like I will, will sell on co ownership to further protect the pup (and not just from illegal breeding, my contract stipulates training requirements that must be met), ownership will transfer in full (ie the co-ownership changes to full puppy purchaser upon completion of the terms of the contract which includes spay/neuter, and as mentioned training.
The puppy buyer within 4-6 wks will get a document mailed to their home address showing his/her registration number. You are also invited to purchase a pedigree, and to enroll in the free insurance program offered by CKC.

If every CKC breeder is doing their job correctly, then each litter will ultimately be registered by the breeder to the individual puppy purchaser.

Also, not sure if it is done this way in other provinces, but when I take my pup for the first time to the vet; I come prepared with all documents. The contract, the microchip information, a copy of the transfer of ownership, and of course the pups health records. My vet scruntinizes said documentation while I wait in the outer office. Particularly with the microchip information. Once somehow there was a delay by the microchip company in transferring into my name; my breeder was called by my vet. My vet told me about it, and to follow up with my breeder to make sure the transfer was done.

Wishing you all the very best!
 

Out of curiosity, I did as you said to do....went to kijiji, Canada, Alberta, (then had to make one more selection so I chose Calgary), Dogs, Yorkies. I don't know what you might have seen in the past but there is NOT one ad in the 2 pages of results, where it says the dam and sire are registered but the puppies are not. There are some that do not mention any of them being registered, some with registered litters, some with registered puppies, LOTS with yorkies mixed with other breeds so no registration on any of them. But not one as you said where they advertise CKC registered parents and unregistered litters. So, I do not think this issue is as widespread as you seem to think. Not saying it doesn't happen -- just not the norm.

It is frustrating to me too, but I think for different reasons than for you.

Out of more curiosity, just what criteria are you using to decide these breeders you speak of on kijiji are "great?" Before you can claim a breeder is "great" or otherwise exceptional, you need to know something about them! Their background, the way they conduct themselves, the way they treat their pups, the support they provide new owners, what sort of dogs they are breeding, what vet support they ensure the pups have, how long do they keep the pups, what sort of testing (both pre-mating and follow up) do they conduct on their dams, sires, and pups? There is much to know before claiming them "great!" Normally a breeder's code of ethics will keep them away from advertising in places like Kijiji. You will notice all of the mix breeds there. You will also see things like 3-6 year old mixed breed dogs being sold INTACT! Wonder how many mixed pups were left in shelters due to them! I also had to wonder at the IQ level. One fellow is selling his 8 week old male toy pup for $1200 OBO and he says he will NOT go below $750! I would ROTFL if it were not so sad! So you see, reputable breeders just do not normally advertise in places like that. You need to learn about what makes a good, ethical breeder so that you will have no problem identifying them.

Since you have now mentioned that you do not even know if this puppy WAS registered before, whether papers were lost, only limited registration given, etc.... I think you need to go back to the previous owner and then the breeder to find out more information before asking here. No sense in us looking up information when we do not even know if it will apply to your pup. I think this was seriously a case of jumping the gun! Basically, you have had a dog for 5 days and you don't know much about her at all, yet you are already thinking of breeding? :confused: I do not understand how you could have just BOUGHT this dog on Easter Sunday without knowing anything about her or her parents. Did you answer an ad? Referral? Then you come on this site and write: "curious to having a litter... info please! " (EXCLAMATION!) and immediately start your post with: "So before you all start to judge and put me down..." Sort of tells me your priorities are reversed and you KNOW this wasn't right -- why else would you be worried about anyone judging you or putting you down? We aren't here to be your judge anyway. That is up to you, the law, and your higher power. I do wonder what led you to think there might be judgement or putting down....?

But, I would suggest that you first, research your dog and its parents -- not with the idea of breeding, but with the idea of establishing a knowledge base about your own pet. That should be done BEFORE you buy a pup, and definately before even thinking of breeding. You want to know the family history and health history of each side so that you can provide the best care in the future for your pet. So -- just think that far right now and set this whole breeding idea aside for a few months. My feeling is still that you SHOULD NOT breed this dog, but that will be a decision you will make down the line after KNOWING a little something about your dog.

Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear, but rest assured I am not judging you OR putting you down. These are things YOU need to think about for responsible pet ownership, not even broaching on the subject of responsible breeding! One step at a time. I wish you and your new puppy the best -- may she become a joyful member of your family!