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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3420894)

It's not the fact that breeders are arguing with each other that is causing problems with the breed! Greeders are causing the problems! This isn't just about opinions; we do have an area of knowledge in the field of breeding that is considered factual. You would never find a good mentor if you think your "opinion" is just as valid as his or hers. Have you ever studied with a coach of anything, they are considered the authority and expert, and a student won't last long if they argue with everything and want to give their opinions. Experienced breeders here do try to share information with others, but it's usually met with rationalization and excuses to justify their breeding program.

Non-breeders here at Yorkietalk try and help educate others on choosing a good breeder this link that Ladymom provided offers information on what to look for when choosing a breeders. Which part of this list do you see an unimportant? In my opinion, if you see characteristics as being unnecessary, you need to reevaluate you reasons for breeding.

Has a specific breeding goal
Belongs to and works with breed club
Has at least one mentor
Understands and breeds to the standard
Active in dog related activities (shows, trials, rescues)
Knows the true history of the breed
Sells pets with spay/neuter contract and tries to stay in touch with new owners
Keeps up with health and temperament issues affecting the breeding and provides in depth guarantees
All breeding stock is tested for genetic diseases affecting the particular breed.
Maintains carrier records on all dogs in gene pool including effected progeny.
Clean, sterile environment always maintained
Expected longevity with any particular breed

Sugarmom quoted someone as as asking "When did it become so horrible to breed dogs to provide wonderful pets to loving homes?" Do you really not understand this? Shelters are killing millions of wonderful pets yearly, we have an ample supply of pets, and rescues are filled up as well, we don't need more pets. The only reason to be breeding now is to protect what past breeders have accomplished to ensure healthy examples of the breed are here in the future, this is about preserving the breed. As long as people are breeding to produce money, we will have problems with this breed.

Excellent post, Nancy! :thumbup::thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 3420056)

permission received from all parties.: DISCLAIMER: This was posted somewhere else in response to the Breeder Comparison Matrix . Not my post so please don't attack me over it. I thought it was very interesting and requested permission to post it here.

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, I'm sure whoever created the chart did it with good
intentions, but it just serves to draw the lines again, and they are lines we
don't need to draw.

I was at a committee hearing yesterday and someone from the "other side" said
this to me: "We don't want to have to define a puppy mill, but we need you
breeders to define what is a good breeder." I just shook my head. The point is
that breeders come in all shapes and sizes and you just can't say there is One
Right Way to raise dogs.

Another thing I think about is this idea that the only reason to breed is for
the next show dog. Dogs are PETS. When did it become so horrible to breed dogs to provide wonderful pets to loving homes? Who decided that the only "legitimate" reason to breed was for show? Shows are, after all, designed to evaluate breeding stock. But breeding stock for what? Just to produce more show dogs? That could become a circle with no end.

Oh well, I know I am very late replying to this -- I have been in Richmond all
week trying to stop bad legislation, and we had a good year, I'm happy to say.
Now I think I'll go play with some puppies!

Sharyn

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And I shake my head at this response. It is the responsibility of ethical, highly experienced breeders to do just that. In any profession, you have the profession set the standards of excellence by which their members are to be evaluated and measured against. As new information becomes available, and better ways developed then those standards are changed. The fact that different breeds have some different needs are easily addressed in that breeds standard of care. In the same fashion pre screening tests can and should be different by breed.

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And when did it become acceptable to breed for less than the best outcome, just because some of your litter will go to pet homes? I will say again if you are in the market for a purebred dog, you as the purchaser should demand the best! The best in temperament, health, structure, and quality! The future purebred pet owner is investing in our breed, through the well informed buying decision which ideally will support the best breeders around, and in this way help to insure that the YOrkie we love today, will be better off 10 years down the road, in health, looks, and attitude.

The buying public deserves a very good and healthy representative of the breed. They deserve that their puppy comes from health tested breeding stock, with any health concerns of that line, researched and known by the breeder.

I think in many ways the buying public is scammed! Oh yes this is a "purebred" Yorkie, but their hair is just curly, they will likely be 15 lbs or so, the coat is coarse and the color is off, and well ya know all dogs have different temperaments, this one is just on the shy side, or hyper, or scatterbrained, or growly, or etc etc etc. Oh yes don't you worry about the vet telling you the pup likely has Grade 2 LP. Oh dear, bladder stones you say? Well lots of dogs around middle age get bladder stones. Oh the vet told you it is genetic....um well gosh I've never had bladder stones in my dogs....their lines, well I've never asked.

Is this an elitist view, I proudly say yes. This is what every breed needs. Passionate dedicated, informed, commited, breeders, whose first desire is to leave the breed better than before! We are purebreed fanciers, and as such are dedicated to the preservation and futherance of our specific breed.

Finally, who says there should be a Yorkie out there for whosoever wants one?

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3420894)

Huh?? Where'd all that come from???
Just suggested we all work together - amazing what one can learn from bouncing ideas of each other, etc.
I would agree, since the majority of shelters, et al, are filled with mutts, one should strive to breed the best of the breed, which would include sharing of ideas, new information as it becomes available, etc.