Message for "SoCalyorkiLvr"
 

I am new to this website, and I noticed your babies are a very light color compared to the "typical" steel blue/tan color.

I have 2 girls - - one is registered black/tan and the other blue/gold.

My "blue/gold" gal is very light on her head & chest & legs, almost white after a bath.

Is this considered an uncommon color? Is it considered a "fault" at all? I want to eventually breed her and the stud I have chosen is much similar in color as she is. I don't want to breed them together if this coloring is not a good trait to breed for.

By the way, I am not breeding for show dogs.

Thank you for your input.

I have a part-colored yorkie named Princess Chai. She came from traditional colored parents...Mom was light tan and black and dad was lt tan and silver. I have posted pics of all three below.

Chia is all "gold" with striations of white going through the gold and four white paws and white chest. These pups were once killed upon birth by show breeders who felt these "off colors" were faults but now breeders are actually starting to breed "for" these colors after realizing the beauty in them and that these puppies deserved a chance at life. There is still a misconception that they are prone to illness and disease but, with the exception of the "born blue" yorkies, this is a myth.

What you are describing in your babies i think is more of a lt tan or even blonde color which might do well in a show ring, but is in high demand by pet owners who love the light blonde color.

I absolutely LOVE the first pic!

I really love that first picture too. Chai is a real cutie!

Thank you, SoCal. My little girl (Grace) does have the steel blue (black/silver) on her body, but yes, she is white/light gold everywhere else. I think she is absolutely beautiful.

Now, the other question is this: She has longer legs than the "typical" yorkie. Someone told me that trait was considered a fault if showing, but would not be considered a reason NOT to breed for pet-lovers. Do you agree? How common are the Yorkies with the longer legs?

I do plan on selling the pups to people who will sign an agreement saying they will spay/neuter and not use the pups to breed. I will be very particular as to where my babies' babies are placed.

You mean, she came from "normal colored" yorkies??? Awesome!!! Hope I ever get that lucky!!! :)

Yes, I am sure if you study the breed standard closely like show breeders they will tell you that longer legs are a fault, but show breeders breed dogs with "faults" all the time because there is no "perfect" yorkie but there are some "faults" which should not be bred and I am not experienced enought to tell you all of them but certainly the obvious which would be genetic health defects like liver shunt, leggs perthes, luxating patellas, and any genetic diseases.

I would think if your girl is "perfect" except for color and longer legs then it would be worht having her checked by a reproductive vet for evaluation of her ability to breed.

She sounds gorgeous. Can you post a picture?

Unfortunately, I don't own a digital camera, so I can't post a picture. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to!! In fact, I'm guilty of carrying my "girls" pictures around in my purse, but not pictures of my 3 sons! Terrible, I know!

I did have her & Angel both checked by my vet for "breeding quality". She said both will be excellent for breeding. No genetic problems at all and good conformation.

Thank you for your reply. By the way, your babies are beautiful!

Thanks and good luck to you. I am in the market for a new camera myself. I've been using my phone!! Ugh! :rolleyes:

Hi Angelbaby's mom. Welcome to YT!
You might want to also ask for input from some of the actual breeders that post on this forum to get experienced advice.
oh, and don't feel bad about the picture thing...many of us have more pics of our dogs than our human kids. lol!

Sylvan is correct AngelBaby's Mom that I am not an experienced breeder (in fact I am not a breeder at all) but I have acquired some knowledge of the breed in my lifetime as a dog lover and yorkie fancier, and I know the thread was directed at me because of my Princess Chai, but some members on here feel like I shouldn't give advice because I am not a breeder so please know that my advice is just from what I have read, heard from other breeders, or from personal experience with my own four yorkies. :)

I do appreciate your advice, SoCal, and I truly think that you are right on the money with your thoughts on the subject. Personally, when I read what "breeders" say, I get the feeling they are breeding for show-quality dogs. I understand the importance of maintaining a high standard in the breed and not breeding irresponsibly just to make money, so I can understand why some breeders would say DON'T breed a female with long legs, or with "uncommon" coloring. But, as long as my girls and their mate are healthy with no genetic disorder, I personally see no reason NOT to reproduce. Let the stones fly, but nonetheless, that is my opinion. You simply confirmed it.

Again, I appreciate your advice, breeder or not. ;)

The use of the PM system in the forum is great when only wanting input from one member of the forum. It helps to maintain peace if you don't want more than the opinion of one member.

I think sylvan brought up a valid suggestion. I don't think she knew you ONLY wanted advice from SoCal for the reason I stated above.

Just my opinion.

Lisa

I really didn't only want advice from one person. I really am open to advice from others. I can weigh what I hear & take or leave what I wish. No offenses taken, and certainly none intentionally given.

Most every thread I've read on these forums proves there are so many knowledgable people here, and I am definitely a "beginner" Yorkie mom, so I am a dry sponge, soaking up everything.

Thank you to all who wish to input.

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Since you're asking for opinions: First of all I'm not a breeder. Socal brought up a great point about the breeding and making sure the dog was tested for genetic factors. I believe that should be one of the main factors in breeding.
As for the cosmetics... Personally I don't like the look of "leggy" yorkies. I saw one in the petstore window the other day. They just don't look right to me, kind of miss proportioned. It reminds me of a black lab for some reason. Of course I don't know what you're dog looks like, maybe she can pull it off! The colors sound pretty though.
I personally don't agree with breeding "pet quality" yorkies on purpose, especially without papers. I believe that for everyone born one less sheltered one doesn't get a home. There are lots on petfinder and in the shelters that need homes. I believe there is a yorkie for everyone.
I saw that you said that you're a thinking about breeding. I just hope that you know your reasons for breeding, the costs, and I do commend you for going to this site and becoming more knowledgeable on breeding. Just make sure that you've looked into it completely and know the risks and what to do in case something goes wrong and the true costs of it all.
http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=62 is a great page to see if breeding is for you. I am just telling you this because at one point I thought about it breeding. But then I looked into my Brandy's eyes and I knew that if something wrong happened, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Also, at Petsmart yesterday I ran into a lady who's dog had to go through surgery because of cancer, which could have been prevented by spraying her.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do. I hope you get all of the information you're looking for. Just make sure you get a digi cam so that we can see pics of the puppies and the momma if you have any!

Cheryl,

Thank you so much for the link. Great information and food for thought. I see what you are saying about breeding "pet-quality" dogs without papers. I would never consider breeding my girls if they were not registered. They are, however, and so is the potential stud. I would definitely register the litter. I also have put together most of the tools needed for the whelping process. I've been doing this a little at a time, so as to be able to handle the cost better. Also, I have had the girls checked out regularly with my vet, and before I breed, they will be tested for any genetic abnormalities. God forbid, but if any are found, I will spay her & never look back.

I do have a mentor who has bred for several years, and home-raises all of her dogs (6 of them). She is so willing to answer my questions, but I like to get multiple perspectives before I begin.

Again, thank you for the link. I've printed the information out and I'm adding it to my now-thick file of "Yorkie Info".

I mean no offense when I say this, but I just wanted to say that in my opinion there is much more reason to breed "pet quality" than show quality yorkies. I say this because I am so much more in favor of dogs as pets rather than show animals. Pets serve such a fabulous need for people...they reduce stress, they teach unconditional love, they teach responsibility for another living creature which teaches kindness and compassion.....just think about what you have learned from your pets throughout your life and the "firendship" they have given you and you will see exactly what I mean.

If you make the argument about too many dogs in general needing homes, then you would have to be in favor of a BAN on all breeding period, for that to have logic.

90% of the people on this forum got their dogs from pet breeders and do not show their dogs. There are only 500+- YTCA breeders in the entire country so the majority of good breeders of yorkies are not show breeders but rather, pet breeders. The fact that yorkies are in demand and not typically found in the shelters (or if they are they find homes quickly) is how I can rationalize continuing to breed them. It is a wonderful breed and if we banned all breeding because the shelters were full, we would lose the breed.

As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC.

In fact, although my Princess Chai's parents were both AKC, her breeder chose to register APRI because APRI recognized the different colors way before the AKC did and so their historical records on parti-color and chocolate yorkies is more accurate. While the AKC has recently changed their policy on this they used to register a parti-colored or a chocolate as a traditional black and tan or black and silver as they had no other color options. Ridiculous but true.

Anyway, please do not feel any gulit for your desire to breed your baby and please know that you are doing right by her by doing this research and learning all you can and having a mentor. I commend you.

If you need to breed her to a shorter legged mail, then this may be what is necessary to compensate for her legginess, but those on here with longer legged yorkies will i am sure tell you that they are just as lovig and just as loveable as their shorter legged counterparts.

After all, long legs is just an aesthetic or cosmetic thing havint to do with appearance and has nothing to do with temperament which the most important thing in a pet. :thumbup:

PM me if you would likeme to put in touch with Princess Chai's breeder as she is very knowledgeable about the partis, the chocolate and the different registries and their histories. :)

I agree with EVERYTHING you just "said". In fact, it makes me angry when I read about how show dogs are treated. But, tell me how to PM you? What is that?

There is a banner right above this page that says "Welcome angelbaby's mom" and then in blue underlined it says "Privat mesages". Clikc there and you can check you messages from other members and send new ones OR you can click on my unsername and it will have "send a private message" as an option. Either way works. I would look for your PM. :thumbup:

"As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC."



Kim, The APRI registry is a FAVORITE of the puppy millers. Where DO you get your information???
The AKC may have its faults but to say that these other off the wall registries are better is ludicrous. Of the the registries favored by mills APRI and CKC are probably at the TOP of the list.
As a matter of fact, I had a small time miller tell me he was switching from AKC to APRI BECAUSE of the strict rules the AKC was imposing on him, including inspection of his premises and DNA. PLEASE do not spread such misinformation!!!!

There are many many more puppymill dogs registered with AKC than with APRI. I was relating the story about APRI regardng their record of registering historically correct colors. I am sure you are right that none of the registries are great when it comes to turning down puppymills with money to pay to regster their dogs, but AKC is the biggest and would have the best chance of making a difference and getting rid of puppymills if they stopped registering puppies from them.

I am NOT spreading "misinformation" as nothing I posted was inacccurate.

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