I think maybe i was misunderstood or properly did not express myself the way needed. My post was not meant to insult anyone on here as many of you are way more experienced in breeding/whelping then I period. My post was not meant to try and knock the knowledge of you breeders/ experienced whelpers when I stated about research on inbreeding. I simply meant further research would be good and a great source of need to know for some who were possibly unaware about the less chances of the pups being born to first time inbreeding that was all. When I stated as far as the emergency spay, I was only expressing my feelings on some who mentioned to do an emergency spay that was all. I never said that anyone gave me poor advice at all. One's opinions is ones opinions and where most of you who did suggest an emergency spay feel or felt that it should be done, i took another route and will only hope that I will not be bashed in any way for my decision making of allowing her to have her pups. I am extremely new to the breeding world and I personally do not consider this a beginning in my possible wants of wanting to breed either considering the circumstances,but at the end of the day I have chose to be there for her as I feel that it is the right thing to do however please do not mistake me for some person who doesnt care for her or her pups and would have chosen to keep them either way, as I would have chosen to terminate pups if truly and seriously necessary and advice from the vet. Again, apologies if offense was taken as that was far indeed from my intentions. Also, I will be having vet on call as well as an experienced breeder whom i have been chatting with in my area and is willing to come to my home once Treasure goes into labor. So hopefully this will be a great way to experience my first dog labor and delivery experience and god willing hope that all goes well for Treasure and pups. I have to say I am looking forward to this experience. Treasure is just so active still and also she will not take to her whelping box either. She runs around the house half the night sniffing like a mad girl which I will assume she is looking for a nesting place. I have given her free roam of my walk in closet the bathroom and a corner in my room all where I have placed the whelping box. I have even confined her to the bathroom with whelping box in there with no success and I am unsure how to get her used to her whelping box at all. I have even used a blanket that carries her scent on it with no avail. I do not know what to do. And her eating habits are very minimum. She nip picks her food here and there but to me it seems like she isn't consuming enough. Could it be all in my head? As I also stated i before, I have been also giving her cottage cheese 2 times a day...

God bless you and your decisions about your Treasure.
No one is better to give you advice but your vet. Your vet saw your bitch and will be able to give good advice to you. I have close friends that are vets and was on the phone with me though my whelps. Their advice is golden, they are Dr's. It sounds like treasure is getting close to her whelp date especially if you can feel the pups moving, around 10 days before whelping. The temperature method works wonders . Ask your vet and do research. My one girls temp was normally 99.8 and she dropped to about 98.7 24 hours prior and then 98 12 hours prior. My other's normal temp was 101 she dropped to about 99 and fluctuated for a day and 1/2 before whelping. Neither one pushed at all for long. Keep a careful eye on her. you will need to help with the whelp and have supplies on hand. Im a novice breeder. We breed horses so whelping pups is easy.

This is a pretty messy situation.
You have made your choice and I must agree it was a very hard choice to have to make.
I wish you luck with the birth.

It always make me cringe when I see people with very....questionable....breeding ethics jumping in to encourage people and give them breeding advice. :rolleyes: Often times people who shouldn't be breeding in the first place, much less advising others on how to do it!

A word of good general advice: Be very aware of who you are taking your advice from, be it owner, breeder or vet.

I must say, after being on YT for awhile now and reading every single post (I think) and from talking and asking my vet lots of questions, I have come to the conclusion that the breeders here on YT know a lot more than my vet - ON BREEDING.

This is probably a very exciting time for you - expecting your first litter - but when you have questions on breeding, my advice would be to ask it here on YT. You will definitely get more knowledge and insight from people who breed these tiny toy breeds - and your vet does not.

Good luck to you. I wish you a quick and easy whelp - and happy and health puppies.

Is there a degree in Breeding??? just wondering? I never knew there was. :confused:

I could not agree with you more! That is not to discredit or undermind what a vet advises, but there is a certain area of experience and knowledge in regards to SPECIFICALLY Yorkies that an experienced breeder provide you with that a vet cannot. Vets have a very wide knowledge base on dogs in general...the basic textbook stuff. But think about it this way: We all realize how much sheer information and 'need to know' stuff there is out there on Yorkies alone. And we (as YTers/owners) know more than the next person because we immerse ourselves in the breed. That same amount of information and specifics is out there for every single breed of dog. Could you really expect a vet to have that kind of experience and knoweldge base for every single breed out there?

Again, great medical and overall textbook knowledge base, but more than likely, breeders working with Yorkies and Yorkies alone are going to be far more knowledgeable in other areas. Both vet AND mentor combined are really key.

:thumbup: I'm always in awe of the knowledge the good breeders on this site have. There is nothing that beats hands on experience with a particular breed or situation. (We need to look no further than the majority of information given on diet by vets to see that their knowledge is that of a GP and not a specialist. Vaccine protocols, too.)

Exactly! I respect breeders information but it is sad how they talk as if a degree is needed to know the info they have! For the need to know info to Bama and the rest who agreed with her post, I chose the vet I chose because my vet bred small breed dogs and golden retrievers and one of those small breed dogs were yorkshire terriers, so yes, I would definitely take the advice of my vet. All breeders are not always right. That is why yes Bama, I do agree with be careful who you ask and take advice from that goes along way. Everyone will continue to have their opinions but regardless of my noviceness of breeding whelping or whatever I take great pride of doing my research thoroughly on all the breeds I adopt before adopting. As I stated, I have 6 dogs, akita mix, Siberian Husky, 2 yorkies(newest to the family) a shorkie and a pomeranian and I love all of my pets and strive to know as much as I need to and more. I couldnt agree with Felicity more there is no degree on breeding so at the end of the day most info is based off "textbook reading" and most on hands on experience and i definitely agree that hands on is the best knowledge to have but please do not knock me down based off my decision because it is an inbreeding whelping and do not under estimate my knowledge either. My main goal coming on YT was to find out what other breeders thought about the information leading to finding out if my female was pregnant not to feel like i was being bashed because her brother and her mated etc. One way or another inbreeding has been done in the yrs and instead of knocking an innocent mistake that was no doing of mine keep in mind that their are other people who inbreed purposely and probably a few on YT themselves do it as well. yes, yes, its been said it is for the experienced breeders who know what they are doing, but again this was not my fault that they mated it was the previous owners fault and I did decide to let her have her litter so how about a few words of encouragement and true breeding/whelping knowledge to help out instead of bashing because that is how i feel from Bama... again thanks to all those who had kind words and great advice and did not make me feel guilty or knock me for letting my Treasure have her litter.

I certainly hope not. The day a they require and exam for that, there are a whole lot of people out there breeding who would fail! ;)

I am sorry, you misunderstood. I was not criticizing you decision to work with YOUR vet in the least bit. I believe that both you and your vet have gone above and beyond what most in you situation would.
Please reread my comment about being cautious who you were taking advice from: It always make me cringe when I see people with very....questionable....breeding ethics jumping in to encourage people and give them breeding advice. Often times people who shouldn't be breeding in the first place, much less advising others on how to do it! It wasn't really about just vets, or your vet in particular.
Also, I believe the comment about the degree was meant to insinuate that vets are a better source for info because they have degrees and breeders don't. Of course, a large part of breeding requires plain old common sense--which no degree can give you and which many people seriously lack. :p

Bravo Treasure for being PROLIFE! You post a question and expect a answer and support. Some people go way off topic from the question. Take the answers and knowledge you need for your situation, and ignore the rest if its against your beliefs. I am sure the pups will turn out fine.
God Bless and healthy whelping.

You do realize these are dogs, right? I believe that debate is one reserved for the human world. It's not a debate about "beliefs." :confused: Just sayin...

I believe in regards to the OP, she has gotten lots of support and answers. I don't see where anyone is criticizing her. And unlike many people are willing to do, she seemed to have considered ALL advice and made the decision she felt was best.

i pity you. the op certainly made her decision which was best for her and no one else.

She ask for help on public forum therefore Bama does NOT have to 'mind her business.'

Please do not use term 'prolife' in regard to animals. Prolife is human term. Doggie can't decide whether she believes life begin at conception! :rolleyes:

What's good for the goose...

I'm not criticizing the OP or her decision. It may not have been the one I'd chosen, but I still think she's very responsible in her preparation. How many times do I have to say that? :confused: I'm not sure why you seem hell bent on making it seem like I'm criticizing her.:rolleyes:

No need to get nasty...Bama is just stating her opinion. If you dont like it then SEE YA...:wavey: Remember this is an OPEN forum.

Sometimes posts similar to those which Bama posted can seem nasty or sharp, but in actual fact they are the opposite.
Posts like Bama's are probably the most caring posts here because all she is trying to do is save you from possible heartache.

It is not uncommon for a vet to inquire about the breeding when a health issue arises..

Eh....I don't think it's the OP that took an issue with what I said. I think it's just someone else trying to make it something it's not. The almighty power of suggestion. It's a common go-to tactic when trying to draw attention away from one's self. ;)

I'm not going to criticize the OP but I will say I do not support her decision. I still believe the right decision is to spay the bitch. Even for as long as I've been in yorkies and it's not as long as some that are on YT I would never let a bitch have puppies at that young age and bred to her brother. It's just not the risk I'm willing to take for the puppies life nor the bitch's life. Now that is "prolife" :)

Donna

Good luck with having the puppies! When are they due?

Dog Breeding - Your Questions Answered is found in the YT library and is a good read, with suggestions on whelping preparation, etc.

As the subject of whelping is a big one, it would be better to ask specific questions, of the experienced breeders here.

In your last vet visit, where your vet was speaking to the previous owners about lineage, did he also find out what health tests were done, and what health problems have occurred in this line? For a list of those health tests please see article referenced above. Specifically at this point is your bitch free of LP as well as her brother? Have they both been BAT tested? This gives you an idea of liver function. If not the brother certainly can be BAT tested right now. If both dogs have Luxating Patella, the risks are very high, that the pups will have LP. A manual physical exam by a good vet should be able to correctly assess for LP, but an Xray needs to be done and read by a specialist to appropriately grade the severity of it. Low graded LP usually doesn't negatively affect the quality of life for the pup/dog, but higher grades do, and may require surgery to fix the problem.
Eye Test: Has a cerf been done on bitch/sire, and how about their parents. Are they free of PRA? For an explanation of what this is, please see referenced article. This condition is inherited and will cause eventual blindness in the dog.

You might question why do these tests now? For me, my answer would be, forewarned is forearmed. It also means that there maybe things I can do proactively to avoid and or help my dogs, live happy and healthy lives. For example with LP Graded one or two, jumping off couches or chairs etc, wouldn't be allowed. I would probably not put them in sports which require good strong and aligned joints; such as agility, flyball, etc. I would look to engage the dogs in activities that strengthen the muscles of the legs. Underwater treadmill, swimming, are all great activities for this condition. I would be adding chondrotin and glucosamine in proper amounts to their food. As a breeder, it is my duty and responsibilty to the breed and to the future owners of my pups to do the best I can to only breed healthy good representatives of the breed.

The BAT test for the bitch will have to wait until after the weaning of the pups.

Labour: Were there any complications with labour in this dam's mom? Was a C section necessary?

Some more food for thought.

And on whelping, and other things that can go "wrong", this is a good read.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...t-breeder.html

Treasure's Pups Have Arrived! :)
 

Congratulations on a safe and healthy whelp. :D I'm sure you are busier than a one armed paper hanger right now, but as you get time, keep us updated. We love puppy pics:D

Congratulations on a safe whelp. Looking back on the posts, I see where it was less than 2 weeks from your knowing she was pregnant and the birth of the babies. Given that, I understand your decision.

Best of luck with the babies and I wish the best for them. BTW, did the vet already do the tails? It looks that way in the photo.

Oh my goodness. I'm so happy all went well. They are precious.

Be sure to keep the whelping box warm (85 degrees) and weigh them twice a day. One of my babies quit gaining after having tails and dew claws done and I had to supplement.

Your babies look great.