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florencelisa 10-02-2010 04:51 PM
what is the earliest tail docking can be done?
 
common age is 3 days,
can it be done any earlier?
dew claws can be removed right after birth right?

Vinniedoggy 10-02-2010 04:57 PM
Why are these things done? Just seems so cruel.

yorkielady06 10-02-2010 05:43 PM
Day 3 is when they are usually done and dewclaws at the same time.

YorkieRose 10-02-2010 05:56 PM
Never traumatize a newborn...use the clamp method at 3 to 5 days depending on size..it is bloodless, no stitches (that is the painful part)..if you do not know what you are doing, please see a vet.

FlDebra 10-02-2010 06:00 PM
They normally say day 3 so they have 2 days of not being moved and are stable, you know they are eating, thriving. Not done after day 5 as nerves are growing and want to minimize the pain.

I have mixed feelings about the docking and sort of wish it was removed from our standards. Although I prefer the docked look, I would forgo it if it was not the standard. I feel the same about human male baby circumcism. I think we just do these things and they are really no longer necessary in the day of daily showers for people and easier life for our yorkies. But my husbnd overruled me on the circumcism and I went ahead and docked all of our puppies tails and removed their dew claws. Heard the results of both and I can tell you -- it DOES hurt!

Beya 10-02-2010 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3288367)
They normally say day 3 so they have 2 days of not being moved and are stable, you know they are eating, thriving. Not done after day 5 as nerves are growing and want to minimize the pain.

I have mixed feelings about the docking and sort of wish it was removed from our standards. Although I prefer the docked look, I would forgo it if it was not the standard. I feel the same about human male baby circumcism. I think we just do these things and they are really no longer necessary in the day of daily showers for people and easier life for our yorkies. But my husbnd overruled me on the circumcism and I went ahead and docked all of our puppies tails and removed their dew claws. Heard the results of both and I can tell you -- it DOES hurt!


On the dew claws what exactly is that for? Cause when I purchased my beya she came docked and dew claws were taken out.

smartpuppiepets 10-02-2010 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by florencelisa (Post 3288302)
common age is 3 days,
can it be done any earlier?
dew claws can be removed right after birth right?
My vet showed me literature once that it can either be done 20 minutes right after birth or on the second day to 5 day max. It was mentioning both, tail docking and dewclaws removal. It explained the coagulation factors and nerve development and the antibodies from mothers ... i will not remember details but all these 3 factors were counted on determining the best timing to have these procedures done. .
I always had it done on day 2, both procedures. I can do it my self but i have the vets do it and use the surgical glue and absorbent stitches for the tails , it is a clean, fast and worry free way to have it done.
XOXO

kjcmsw 10-02-2010 10:00 PM
Mine were docked the day after they were born and the dew claws removed too. Kendra

WV~Yorkies 10-03-2010 03:15 AM
There is no way I would do it before 3 days old. What is the point in traumatizing a newborn?

I have done tails and with the clamp method they don't even hardly cry. I an having problems justifing dew claws. I think they hurt them bad. I have a couple with dew claws and as long as they are trimmed with the nails regular never been a problem.

FlDebra 10-03-2010 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Beya (Post 3288382)
On the dew claws what exactly is that for? Cause when I purchased my beya she came docked and dew claws were taken out.
Purely for safety as I was told they snag easily on carpets, blankets and such. WV Yorkies says if they are kept properly trimmed they won't cause any problems. I have just always had it done as passed along by my mentor. But if it really is not that big of a problem to have them, maybe it is not needed. I have decided not to breed anymore, so I won't be in the decision making seat.

I know the tails or claws site do not cause them any lasting discomfort. Just a squeal when they do it (and I think that is the dew claws not the tails so much). I also had them do 1-2 dissolving stitches and the glue. Never had any problems with the tails and no one complained even when a litter mate decided to chew on them. So, it is not a big cruelty issue. I think it is no more a big deal than piercing your ears, maybe less so as ears so often infect, and none of my puppies ever did.

bellababy08 10-03-2010 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 3288438)
My vet showed me literature once that it can either be done 20 minutes right after birth or on the second day to 5 day max. It was mentioning both, tail docking and dewclaws removal. It explained the coagulation factors and nerve development and the antibodies from mothers ... i will not remember details but all these 3 factors were counted on determining the best timing to have these procedures done. .
I always had it done on day 2, both procedures. I can do it my self but i have the vets do it and use the surgical glue and absorbent stitches for the tails , it is a clean, fast and worry free way to have it done.
XOXO

My breeder does her pups as soon as mom is done whelping..she says its easier on the babies...and they don't even make a sound.

FlDebra 10-03-2010 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3288709)
My breeder does her pups as soon as mom is done whelping..she says its easier on the babies...and they don't even make a sound.
I guess if you were going to do it yourself, that works. But I would not take them in to a vet til the 3rd day. Gives them time to stablize a little and get over the trauma of birth. I alwys hated to even remove them from momma for weight checks and looking them over those first couple of days. My momma was good about letting me handle them tho. I am getting wistful again....good thing I have little Annie to keep me from complete puppy withdrawal. I know I am going to miss breeding them!

kjcmsw 10-03-2010 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies (Post 3288583)
There is no way I would do it before 3 days old. What is the point in traumatizing a newborn?

I have done tails and with the clamp method they don't even hardly cry. I an having problems justifing dew claws. I think they hurt them bad. I have a couple with dew claws and as long as they are trimmed with the nails regular never been a problem.
Vet usually waits until about day three, but the smaller the dog you can go a few days longer (per vet); however, by day two, they hardly gave a whimper, stitches and all. I think it's best to get it done as soon as possible as every day is a day the nerves, et al become more 'tuned' and thus more pain. Day two, day three...not enough time to concern oneself...as it's literally hours in measurement of difference.
Kendra

florencelisa 10-07-2010 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3288971)
Vet usually waits until about day three, but the smaller the dog you can go a few days longer (per vet); however, by day two, they hardly gave a whimper, stitches and all. I think it's best to get it done as soon as possible as every day is a day the nerves, et al become more 'tuned' and thus more pain. Day two, day three...not enough time to concern oneself...as it's literally hours in measurement of difference.
Kendra
thanks kendra,
that was my initial thought in asking the question,

thanks for everyone else's insight!

YorkieRose 10-07-2010 12:17 PM
Tail docking at birth sure is a hit or miss IMO...I need a few days to determine where I want to dock..not all can be docked in the same place and look correct to me..but I very fussy...

kelkiss5 10-07-2010 01:15 PM
Here in Ireland the docking of tails is against the law, (althought I do love a docked tail) also I have never heard of anybody removing the dew claws.. Id would love someone to tell me why this is done, I have heard the terms loads of times and still dont really no what it is for..
Sorry OP I guess I have been no help, but you have just made me want to find a few answers to lol

Raymond's Mom 10-07-2010 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by florencelisa (Post 3288302)
common age is 3 days,
can it be done any earlier?
dew claws can be removed right after birth right?
I remove tails and dewclaws for many breeders of toy breeds and we never do either before day 5 or 6. Your little babies are just trying to get a good start in life, why put them through that right away. It makes no difference in the pain level if you wait. And if you use the hemostat method of doing tails it's much hard to remove the tail if you do it on a young puppy.

Also, NEVER let the vet cauterize the tail or dews to stop bleeding and don't let a vet put a stitch in the paws. Totally unnecessary and cauterizing is terribly cruel.

yorkielady06 10-07-2010 01:52 PM
Dewclaws are removed due to safety issues. The dewclaws grow toward the dogs leg and if left unnoticed especially long haired breeds the dewclaw grows into the leg and causes infection. Also, the declaws catch on things and get pulled out, bent backward, or split when that happens and then they must be removed when they are bone instead of cartilage.

kelkiss5 10-07-2010 02:00 PM
Thank you very much for that, I thought i was never gona get an answer lol.
1 of my yorkie girls toe nails grows inwards towards her paws and I need to clip them every few weeks. it wasnt untill she i had her a while that i noticed this and was in shock when I seen it..Do you think that maybe that was because she never got her dew paws removed or maybe it was just a natural thing?..

kelkiss5 10-07-2010 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3292874)
Dewclaws are removed due to safety issues. The dewclaws grow toward the dogs leg and if left unnoticed especially long haired breeds the dewclaw grows into the leg and causes infection. Also, the declaws catch on things and get pulled out, bent backward, or split when that happens and then they must be removed when they are bone instead of cartilage.


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Thank you very much for that, I thought i was never gona get an answer lol.
1 of my yorkie girls toe nails grows inwards towards her paws and I need to clip them every few weeks. it wasnt untill i had her a while that i noticed this and was in shock when I seen it..Do you think that maybe that was because she never got her dew claws removed or maybe it was just a natural thing

YorkieRose 10-07-2010 05:08 PM
I used to groom many Yorkies with dew claws...some never had a problem, but others had a claw that grew curved...I used to have to cut these nails out of the skin..I hated to see it and those Yorkies had to come every 4 weeks without fail.

kjcmsw 10-07-2010 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3292804)
Tail docking at birth sure is a hit or miss IMO...I need a few days to determine where I want to dock..not all can be docked in the same place and look correct to me..but I very fussy...
Good point. I think mine are probably on the short side, despite me asking for a bit longer than mama's. Might have been able to have been "perfect" in waiting an extra day or two. I'm really torn between the short and mid tail (as I call them). I think a well conformed Yorkie that holds its tail high looks pretty good with the slightly longer version. However, I've seen a few Yorkies that obviously had been docked trying to hit that slightly longer (mid) length and ended up looking like they simply got the tip of their tail caught in a sliding door. It all ends up being what it is I guess.
Also, with one of ours the vet couldn't find the rear dew claws and assumed there were none, by day five, the back dew claws showed up (became visible) on one. That's probably unusual but I know now that happens. Thus one of the litter has rear dew claws. Again, it is what it is, but had we had waited that wouldn't have happened. Live and Learn.


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