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morgan111 08-04-2010 07:13 PM
help for a new momma
 
hello im in need of some advice
im girl Lexi had a c section on monday 2 pups we lost one due to heart problem our 1 wee guy is 2.5 ozs today and is trying to nurse but not getting much milk momma doesnt seem to have enough yet so we are still attaching him and he does suck really good but gives up in a few min .we are hot compressing teats and they are fairly soft and also supplementing him with forumla he seems to be doing good .my question is is there anything else i should be doing or not doing ? also momma is not interested in eating i have been trying everything her regular puupy food boiled chicken rice ,yogurt ccheese,and all her favorite things no go .she is drinking lots of water .she also has had a bad case of the poops so i have been giving her some pure pumpkin .any advice would be great .

Wylie's Mom 08-05-2010 07:08 AM
I'm not a breeder - but the fact your Mama has a lack of appetite, possible diarrhea and isn't nursing - a visit asap to the vet would be the right thing to do. How is she today? How is the little pup?

LunasMomma 08-05-2010 07:13 AM
I am also not a breeder, but I believe a new mother not eating and having such issues should be at the vet NOW:eek: They can go downhill SO quickly and the pups will suffer as well.

I hope that your baby will be okay:love:

Mardelin 08-05-2010 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by morgan111 (Post 3226879)
hello im in need of some advice
im girl Lexi had a c section on monday 2 pups we lost one due to heart problem our 1 wee guy is 2.5 ozs today and is trying to nurse but not getting much milk momma doesnt seem to have enough yet so we are still attaching him and he does suck really good but gives up in a few min .we are hot compressing teats and they are fairly soft and also supplementing him with forumla he seems to be doing good .my question is is there anything else i should be doing or not doing ? also momma is not interested in eating i have been trying everything her regular puupy food boiled chicken rice ,yogurt ccheese,and all her favorite things no go .she is drinking lots of water .she also has had a bad case of the poops so i have been giving her some pure pumpkin .any advice would be great .
When did your girl have her c-section? At times girls take a couple of days to shake the after affects of anesthesia. There is a whelping pudding recipe posted in this section as a sticky. Scramble your girl an egg. You may have to take to spoon feeding your girl, not uncommon after a whelp with some girls. However, with the diarreah I'd contact your vet.

As far as the pup, the closest things to mother's milk is Goat's Milk, mixed with equal parts of distilled water and a bit of Karo Syrup.

bjh 08-05-2010 07:27 AM
I am sorry to hear you lost one of your babies. How is the little surviving pup doing today? I pray mom and baby are doing better. Sometimes the milk is a little slow coming in but since there is only one pup I would imagine she should get plenty of milk. The main thing is that you don't want him to wear himself out trying to nurse. Here is an interesting article that might help you some: http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm
I have used the recipe in paragraph 10 on several occasions and I feel it really helps with tiny puppies. You can also give some to the momma. Make sure the momma does not get too hot or that will effect her milk production.

As for the diarrhea the mom has, if it does not clear up with the pumpkin, you might want to ask the vet what would be safe to give her.

Did the vet diagnose the puppy that died with a heart problem? I am just curious about what kind of heart problem? Was the mom in labor a long time? Was the mom given a shot of oxytocin to increase her contractions? Any input you have might be valuable for others going through a difficult labor.

morgan111 08-07-2010 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3227315)
I'm not a breeder - but the fact your Mama has a lack of appetite, possible diarrhea and isn't nursing - a visit asap to the vet would be the right thing to do. How is she today? How is the little pup?
we had been to the vet and he said that diarrhea is common and not to worry but i do worry she is one of my babys .the pumpkin helped with tha as far as the eating gos it turns out that she has a bit of an infection and he out her on antibotics but she still has very little milk but he says that as soon as she is feeling better it will come in .but still havin trouble with her intake so we are offering small amounts of different things as she is very picky right now ,nornmally she acts like she is never fed lol.as for the wee little guy he is a gem im feeding him every hour and then he is feeding any small amount mom may have he is gaing a bit of weight .he is the only pup i have ever had that doesnt cry when hungry in fact he never crys ,so i really have to be on my game to make sure he is fed on time. he is taking about 1and a half cc of formula every hour . i will post some pics as soon as i have a bit more time

morgan111 08-07-2010 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3227340)
I am sorry to hear you lost one of your babies. How is the little surviving pup doing today? I pray mom and baby are doing better. Sometimes the milk is a little slow coming in but since there is only one pup I would imagine she should get plenty of milk. The main thing is that you don't want him to wear himself out trying to nurse. Here is an interesting article that might help you some: http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm
I have used the recipe in paragraph 10 on several occasions and I feel it really helps with tiny puppies. You can also give some to the momma. Make sure the momma does not get too hot or that will effect her milk production.

As for the diarrhea the mom has, if it does not clear up with the pumpkin, you might want to ask the vet what would be safe to give her.

Did the vet diagnose the puppy that died with a heart problem? I am just curious about what kind of heart problem? Was the mom in labor a long time? Was the mom given a shot of oxytocin to increase her contractions? Any input you have might be valuable for others going through a difficult labor.
im feeding him every hour and he is slowly gaining and is still getting a bit from mom but it has been a slow process i had her to the vet the next morning and he poops were gone but still not eating much and her incision didnt look right so as it turns out she has a bit of and infection so she is on anibotics and he thinks it will take a few days for her to bounce back so im givin her lots to drink we have mixed up the milke formula and she relly likes it but still not into food a little bit what she normally likes she wont touch so i got some baby food and she is eating small amounts .she will bounce back and more milk will come .will post pics soon

morgan111 08-07-2010 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3227339)
When did your girl have her c-section? At times girls take a couple of days to shake the after affects of anesthesia. There is a whelping pudding recipe posted in this section as a sticky. Scramble your girl an egg. You may have to take to spoon feeding your girl, not uncommon after a whelp with some girls. However, with the diarreah I'd contact your vet.

As far as the pup, the closest things to mother's milk is Goat's Milk, mixed with equal parts of distilled water and a bit of Karo Syrup.
she had it on monday the 5 of august .i have made the welping pudding and she like it .i have gave my lexi anything i can think of to get her to eat but a little of this and a little of that .c cheese yogurt boiled chicken ,rice ,carrots .i even got her a hamberger pattie some thing i never do and she eat a bit and today wont touch it ,so i got some baby food and she is taking a bit of that along with the pudding.and the pup is doing pretty good im feeding him ever hour and still getting a bit from mom .he is the only pup i have ever had that does not cry at all ,so im on my game all the time he is so tiny but is now starting to gain .

morgan111 08-07-2010 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by morgan111 (Post 3231084)
im feeding him every hour and he is slowly gaining and is still getting a bit from mom but it has been a slow process i had her to the vet the next morning and he poops were gone but still not eating much and her incision didnt look right so as it turns out she has a bit of and infection so she is on anibotics and he thinks it will take a few days for her to bounce back so im givin her lots to drink we have mixed up the milke formula and she relly likes it but still not into food a little bit what she normally likes she wont touch so i got some baby food and she is eating small amounts .she will bounce back and more milk will come .will post pics soon
the reciepe here can it be given to him now as im feeding him formula ?

morgan111 08-08-2010 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LunasMomma (Post 3227320)
I am also not a breeder, but I believe a new mother not eating and having such issues should be at the vet NOW:eek: They can go downhill SO quickly and the pups will suffer as well.

I hope that your baby will be okay:love:
at this point we had been to the vet i was just asking if anyone else had any problems like mine ao offer advice .i have been feeding this wee boy for 5 days now and he isdoing relly well now

bjh 08-08-2010 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by morgan111 (Post 3231096)
the reciepe here can it be given to him now as im feeding him formula ?
The goat milk formula is recommended by some breeders to use instead of store bought formula's. Some of the store bought formula can cause eye problems for the puppies later on.

What antibiotic did the vet put your momma on? Some antibiotics will effect their appetite and also cause them stomach problems. The momma should be given a probiotic supplement like Bene-bac since she is on antibiotics. You really need to try everything possible to get the momma do eat some solid dog food. Just giving her the puppy formula could cause her to get diarrhea again. What dog food was she on prior to having puppies?

morgan111 08-08-2010 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3231658)
The goat milk formula is recommended by some breeders to use instead of store bought formula's. Some of the store bought formula can cause eye problems for the puppies later on.

What antibiotic did the vet put your momma on? Some antibiotics will effect their appetite and also cause them stomach problems. The momma should be given a probiotic supplement like Bene-bac since she is on antibiotics. You really need to try everything possible to get the momma do eat some solid dog food. Just giving her the puppy formula could cause her to get diarrhea again. What dog food was she on prior to having puppies?
the antibiotic is amoxicillin shes been on it since friday ,but piror to that she was not eating well normally she is my all ways starving girl she would eat what ever we gave her now nothing is working and belive me i have tried almost everything baby food c cheese srammbled egg, boiled chicken cooked with rice and carrots and a variety of puppy foods as well as her regular dog food it arican for dogs and puppys .she is drinking fairly well and will take nibbles of some things i also did something i said i would never do i got her a burger pattie and gave her some of the meat she did eat a bit .she has had a normal poop real small but looked fine shes peeing alright .the vet says it probaly is a bit of everything c section then losing a pup then infection , we are keeping a very watchful eye on her .pup is doing good he is gaining little at a time and never crys i have to really watch my clock so he doesnt miss any feeds he gets what he can from mom and then i give him formula he is a real good little eater so im sure that all will be fine im just a real worry wort when it comes to my fur babys

bjh 08-08-2010 02:26 PM
The amoxicillin is a safe antibiotic so she should do okay on that. As for the eating, my feelings are that is it important to keep the mom on the same basic diet she was on during pregnancy. The only thing I do different is I start giving them a little more canned food mixed with their dry puppy food once they have puppies. I like canned Pedigree puppy food or canned Pedigree Healthy Digestion. I will hand feed my mommas the first few days since they don't like leaving the whelping box that much. If you start feeding them a lot of foods they are not use to then it can upset their digestive system. I will give my mommas Nutri-cal a couple times a day until their appetite picks up. I also give them 1/2 of a Doc Roy's Healthy Bone twice a day once they have their pups. I make sure the momma eats about 4 good meals a day, the last meal is around 10 p.m. I think your momma just needs some time to recovery from her c-section, she has been through a lot. It sounds like you have everything pretty much under control. I hope the momma starts feeling better and I hope the babies continue to do well.


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