Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3214018)

BTW... welcome to YT:wavey:

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3214286)

It doesn't mean the YTCA has doubts, it just means they don't want it to happen and they are fighting tooth and nail against it ... Goodness, there are people from the YTCA who have joined Biewer clubs NOT because they have a Biewer, love the Biewer or EVER intend on owning one.. but for the soul purpose to be in the club to do all in their power to PROVE that the Biewer is not a Yorkie.. there are other cases where yorkie breeders "befriend" Biewer breeders so to keep an "eye" on them.. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of scenerio.

To me, this type of behavior reflects fear. You are not going to be able to legislate the Parti's out of existance. The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.. We are not going to give up on this and there are more people every day who are becoming enthralled with these dogs.. Instead of bickering on forums and only REACTING.. by changing standards in haste and making unprofessional statements on your websites, don't you think it would be far more productive for the YTCA to sit down and chat.

In a business or in life..if you see something coming your way that you don't particularly like, you can't just slam the door.. cover your ears, shut your eyes and pretend it isn't happening. You have to figure out a solution. This solution may not be exactly as you would like it to be, sometimes change isn't in the beginning, but many times in the end you find that change was actually for the better.

Now, at the beginning of this process there is still time to put rules and guidelines in place.. there is a chance to map out how this can proceed logically, to the benifit of all but most importantly.. to the breed we ALL love. We don't want to see the standard changed for that stunning blue and tan/gold dog .. this is the dog most of us started with.. that we still love.. but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out.

This can be done right, or this can just be done.. we are at a point were we can still choose. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity.


Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3214880)

But the YTCA and most breeder/exhibitors do have doubts. All of my friends that are dedicated breeders do not believe these are pure Yorkie at all. And these are old time breeders. Been around the block a few times.
I have seen with my own eyes how the parti gene was introduced. I knew a breeder that had an oops litter. She admitted it. Said they would still make nice pets. She still registered them with AkC. She had multiple breeds, by the way. They were parti colored Yorkie mixes. All registered as pure AkC puppies. Made me wonder if the sire or dam were also mixes. She had been breeding this way for 30 years. There was no such thing as Dna and falsifying registration papers was easy. She even had one champion girl. Seemed like she bred that bitch for 12 years by her adds in the paper. She doesnt sound very ethical, does she.
This is only one breeder in one state. Breeders like her were a dime a dozen back in the 70;s and 80;s..
Now, I have looked at your parti pedigrees. One top line will have Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are from pet breeders. How do you know what these pet breeders were breeding? I am sure you dont know everyone that bred these generations of dogs. How do you know that they were not just like the lady I knew?
Can you see now why the YTCA is concerned?

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3214910)

I'm sorry to hear that you knew someone personally with those types of ethics.. I daresay there are those types of breeders breeding EVERY color of Yorkie, not just the Parti and the pedigrees are every bit as bad.. such a shame.

Now, do you mean you looked at MY parti pedigree or "Our" collective parti pedigrees??? I know in my case.. I DO know the "PET" breeders that bred to these top lines.. I have Nikko's lines three generations back, Kokopelli, two generations back and all the pet lines in between are personal friends of mine who have been breeding for 30 years and I know the parents, the grandparents, the siblings, the kennels, the health and the history.. so YES, I would say I am extremely confident that what I have is pure. (just for the record, I DNA both parents and all puppies I keep.)

I, like you I'm sure.. have to much time, energy and emotion invested into my dogs to fool around with something that is not of the best quality I can possibly get...Now I might ask, Do you know all of the pet breeders on your dogs pedigrees as well?


Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3214947)

A well bred yorkie should not exceed 10lbs?:eek::rolleyes:

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3214286)

It doesn't mean the YTCA has doubts, it just means they don't want it to happen and they are fighting tooth and nail against it ... Goodness, there are people from the YTCA who have joined Biewer clubs NOT because they have a Biewer, love the Biewer or EVER intend on owning one.. but for the soul purpose to be in the club to do all in their power to PROVE that the Biewer is not a Yorkie.. there are other cases where yorkie breeders "befriend" Biewer breeders so to keep an "eye" on them.. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of scenerio.

To me, this type of behavior reflects fear. You are not going to be able to legislate the Parti's out of existance. The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.. We are not going to give up on this and there are more people every day who are becoming enthralled with these dogs.. Instead of bickering on forums and only REACTING.. by changing standards in haste and making unprofessional statements on your websites, don't you think it would be far more productive for the YTCA to sit down and chat.

In a business or in life..if you see something coming your way that you don't particularly like, you can't just slam the door.. cover your ears, shut your eyes and pretend it isn't happening. You have to figure out a solution. This solution may not be exactly as you would like it to be, sometimes change isn't in the beginning, but many times in the end you find that change was actually for the better.

Now, at the beginning of this process there is still time to put rules and guidelines in place.. there is a chance to map out how this can proceed logically, to the benifit of all but most importantly.. to the breed we ALL love. We don't want to see the standard changed for that stunning blue and tan/gold dog .. this is the dog most of us started with.. that we still love.. but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out.

This can be done right, or this can just be done.. we are at a point were we can still choose. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity.


Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3214982)

Very good Post.

Those that insist that the YTCA willk NEVER accept the parti, that is just wishful thinking. You cannot possibly know what the YTCA wil decide in time. Slowly, more and more people are coming to accept the parti and it is more likely than no, that the YTCA will accept them in time also.

I think that is what the big issue is about. If everyone were so sure that they would NEVER be accepted they would pretty much just brush off. but they are worried that it will happen so they keep tryhing to make us go away.

That's not going to happen. We are here to stay. And the parti will continue to gain popularity. The majority of the populations still do not even know that a parti colored yorkie exists.

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3214880)

But the YTCA and most breeder/exhibitors do have doubts. All of my friends that are dedicated breeders do not believe these are pure Yorkie at all. And these are old time breeders. Been around the block a few times.
I have seen with my own eyes how the parti gene was introduced. I knew a breeder that had an oops litter. She admitted it. Said they would still make nice pets. She still registered them with AkC. She had multiple breeds, by the way. They were parti colored Yorkie mixes. All registered as pure AkC puppies. Made me wonder if the sire or dam were also mixes. She had been breeding this way for 30 years. There was no such thing as Dna and falsifying registration papers was easy. She even had one champion girl. Seemed like she bred that bitch for 12 years by her adds in the paper. She doesnt sound very ethical, does she.
This is only one breeder in one state. Breeders like her were a dime a dozen back in the 70;s and 80;s..
Now, I have looked at your parti pedigrees. One top line will have Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are from pet breeders. How do you know what these pet breeders were breeding? I am sure you dont know everyone that bred these generations of dogs. How do you know that they were not just like the lady I knew?
Can you see now why the YTCA is concerned?

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3214986)

Ytca will not change the standard on the basis of popularity or T-cups would be the standard.

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3214986)

Ytca will not change the standard on the basis of popularity or T-cups would be the standard.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3214989)

My partis came from the first registered parti Nikko's Mickey Spillane, sired by Ch Rolls Royce Ashey, and bred by the same people who owned and bred the Nikko line.

They are the same people who were instrumental in getting the AKC to Accept the parti color yorkies.

True there are probably many "parti colored yorkies" out there that are knock offs because the breeder did not want to pay the price for the real thing. but that happens. you have to know who you are buying from.