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Breezeaway 07-25-2010 10:44 AM
Yep I guess it is.
There have been partis produced from the lines of
Jentre
Wildweir
Durrers
Hylan
Parquins
Nikkos

maggiesmom_2007 07-25-2010 10:45 AM
And you have proof of this?

Breezeaway 07-25-2010 10:46 AM
Yes mam I do.

Brooklynn 07-25-2010 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3212472)
I wrote a thread about this a few months back and a few people were not happy about that at all. I do this and have done it for a few years.

But if you do place one in a show home with someone you know personally they still can sell the offspring from that dog to whom they choose, correct? I have seen contracts from show breeders that state the dog must be championed prior to breeding and only be used on the said persons quality bitches, but the offspring can go to whomever this person chooses. I could hypothetically purchase one of those offspring, put him in the ring and champion him if he fits the bill. So if I am showing him and he is not a carrier, is that ok? Yes. But if I am showing him and intend to better the parti line then No?
Those I sell to a show home cant sell a show dog out of that litter it's in my contract. And my contract states also that before breeding it does have to be championed and anything they sell from that litter has to be sold as a pet only and spayed or neutered upon leaving their home. They can keep a show quality yorkie for themselves and not sell or place a show dog from that breeding into another home. Some show breeders require to only sell to a show home from a second generation breeding. And I have to approve any show home before being sold. I hope that answers your question :)

Donna

Woogie Man 07-25-2010 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3213453)
Because the YTCA will not even discuss with the parti people a way to try make both sides happy nothing will ever get resolved. More and more carriers will just start showing in the ring, its inevitable and over time most of your yorkies will carry the parti gene, if they dont already.
If, in some hypothetical court, you could sue the YTCA for recognition, what would you offer as proof to your claim? I see 3 things:

1. Vague historical mentions of 'off colored' Yorkies.

2. Mars DNA profile, with its own disclaimer on the certificate.

3. AKC DNA profile, establishing parentage only.

Do you really think you would prevail? I think not and, IMO, the YTCA has already gone too far in calling the Parti merely a DQ. They should probably have said something like there is not enough evidence to establish the Parti as a pure bred Yorkie at this time.

What's really disturbing is the intention to deliberately put carriers in the ring. This does nothing to better the breed but only serves to corrupt the breed. It's an end-around the DQ.

Maybe the YTCA should make it a DQ for any dog with a Parti in its pedigree. With your stated intentions, which is probably shared by at least some others, the breed is in need of further protection.

maggiesmom_2007 07-25-2010 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3213553)
Yes mam I do.
Then by all means share it.

Elle 07-25-2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3213550)
Yep I guess it is.
There have been partis produced from the lines of
Jentre
Wildweir
Durrers
Hylan
Parquins
Nikkos
Not sure what you are trying to gain, but you are really saying something terrible about a very good friend that is a lie.

YorkieRose 07-25-2010 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3213360)
32 years ago. Cede Higgins. Has the chinese crested ever won? It pops. So does the old english sheepdog.
The color of the Yorkie is NOT what is stopping it from going BIS at the Garden...
Who else here saw Higgins show at the Garden?..we are talking about a Yorkie who was in the right place at the right time and knew it was his fate..he showed to a Yorkie loving judge, he was a Yorkie who loved to show and was the best at it...would Higgins win the Garden today. no I do not think so...if we want a BIS Yorkie, we better breed one who can all but talk to the judge and ooze that Yorkie personnality to go with impeccable quality and grooming...

Breezeaway 07-25-2010 11:16 AM
All of my info is for the YTCA , I dont have the desire to share it on a forum.

You can not DQ a dog because of bloodlines, not going to happen.

Breezeaway 07-25-2010 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3213573)
If, in some hypothetical court, you could sue the YTCA for recognition, what would you offer as proof to your claim? I see 3 things:

1. Vague historical mentions of 'off colored' Yorkies.

2. Mars DNA profile, with its own disclaimer on the certificate.

3. AKC DNA profile, establishing parentage only.

Do you really think you would prevail? I think not and, IMO, the YTCA has already gone too far in calling the Parti merely a DQ. They should probably have said something like there is not enough evidence to establish the Parti as a pure bred Yorkie at this time.

What's really disturbing is the intention to deliberately put carriers in the ring. This does nothing to better the breed but only serves to corrupt the breed. It's an end-around the DQ.

Maybe the YTCA should make it a DQ for any dog with a Parti in its pedigree. With your stated intentions, which is probably shared by at least some others, the breed is in need of further protection.
They cant say that because they are AKC registered, so that means they ARE Parti colored Yorkshire Terriers

Breezeaway 07-25-2010 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3213583)
Not sure what you are trying to gain, but you are really saying something terrible about a very good friend that is a lie.
I'm sure I didnt say any names of people, so how can I be talking about your friend?

YorkieRose 07-25-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 3213501)
Well I can say this with Absolute conviction. None of my Yorkies have this Parti Gene and they never will. So for you to make that type of statement is basically a bunch of Hogwash. Oh and The breeders I associate with also do not have the Parti gene in their lines either.
Never use the words.."never will"...

There is only one way to achieve this.. NEVER allow a dog or bitch out of your house intact..do not use stud service even from breeders with impeccable reputations...stud owners can be tricked and deceived, then the stud you used is suddenly showing up in a Parti pedigree...and you have Parti's in your line.
I sound like I hate them..not so. I play by the rules until told the rules are changed.

Elle 07-25-2010 11:26 AM
We've had some great yorkies presented over the years. I didn't see him but After this year? :rolleyes:


Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3213587)
The color of the Yorkie is NOT what is stopping it from going BIS at the Garden...
Who else here saw Higgins show at the Garden?..we are talking about a Yorkie who was in the right place at the right time and knew it was his fate..he showed to a Yorkie loving judge, he was a Yorkie who loved to show and was the best at it...would Higgins win the Garden today. no I do not think so...if we want a BIS Yorkie, we better breed one who can all but talk to the judge and ooze that Yorkie personnality to go with impeccable quality and grooming...

maggiesmom_2007 07-25-2010 11:26 AM
Well I for one don't go by what is hearsay. I like facts so until that happens I guess I will just have to form my own opinion.

Woogie Man 07-25-2010 11:28 AM
Even if Parti fanciers could prove that Paris are indeed pure bred Yorkies, that shouldn't be assumed to be a great leap forward into the ring.

Take the flop eared Yorkie, for example. No one would deny that they are pure Yorkies, but no one would put them in the ring, either. Funny thing is, there WERE flop eared Yorkies in the ring at one time. A great many early Yorkies had their ears cropped and were not naturally pricked. With the outlawing of ear cropping, those dogs instantly had no place in the ring, due to the breed standard.

So there is a history of dogs once allowed in the ring to no longer be. I'm certain those dogs owners had more of a case than Parti breeders but they had to yield for the betterment of the breed.


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