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chachi 07-23-2010 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3210739)
Why?

IMO...the Biewer people did that and just boxed themselves into a specific pattern they can not possibly adhere to. It would be a huge mistake if the parti did the same.
I was wondering if thats what the biewers now face

Disney 07-23-2010 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3210739)
Why?

IMO...the Biewer people did that and just boxed themselves into a specific pattern they can not possibly adhere to. It would be a huge mistake if the parti did the same.
Why can't they adhere to? If it occur naturally as is argue, wouldn't just be matter of careful breeding?

chachi 07-23-2010 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3210742)
Why can't they adhere to? If it occur naturally as is argue, wouldn't just be matter of careful breeding?
I would think because the spotting is just naturally random. I don't think they did themselves any favor when they added placement to their standard

Disney 07-23-2010 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3210748)
I would think because the spotting is just naturally random. I don't think they did themselves any favor when they added placement to their standard
I do not understand why they add that in if it random...How on earth they make happen? Just sheer luck, and add no credibility to cause if can't produce consistently.

Nancy1999 07-23-2010 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3210671)
Im not debating anyone this is just a random question but the parti gene is in other breeds how are they judged in the rings or are they also disqualified from their breed clubs because of color fault. Im really curious about this
If the Yorkshire Terrier were just a black and tan dog, without any specific markings, then adding white to the mix would not be much of a problem. However the Yorkie isn't just black and tan, it's blue and gold, and the blue in itself is very difficult to obtain, and must only be on certain parts of the dog. The head, legs, and saddle all have rules for their color. It also seems like once you get the white, you lose the blue, and it's more of a black then a blue. I guess I see a problem because it just sounds like the white can be anywhere, and what about the other colors, would they not matter at all?

chachi 07-23-2010 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3210754)
I do not understand why they add that in if it random...How on earth they make happen? Just sheer luck, and add no credibility to cause if can't produce consistently.
I believe partis and biewers are the same dog only ones from germany ones from US. If the parti spotting is random so is the biers because its the same gene producing it

Disney 07-23-2010 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3210759)
If the Yorkshire Terrier were just a black and tan dog, without any specific markings, then adding white to the mix would not be much of a problem. However the Yorkie isn't just black and tan, it's blue and gold, and the blue in itself is very difficult to obtain, and must only be on certain parts of the dog. The head, legs, and saddle all have rules for their color. It also seems like once you get the white, you lose the blue, and it's more of a black then a blue. I guess I see a problem because it just sounds like the white can be anywhere, and what about the other colors, would they not matter at all?
Interesting point..Never thought of losing blue. How you be fair to both if add to standard?

kpstoybox 07-23-2010 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3210742)
Why can't they adhere to? If it occur naturally as is argue, wouldn't just be matter of careful breeding?
They can't predictably produce the same pattern...even when both parents share the same markings.

I have bred two similar marked Biewers. Both had full saddles, full masks...what many refer to as the "irish spotted gene. A gene that is suppose to be predictable. From this pairing..I produced a pup with an all white body and a full tri mask. Once again proving that parti markings are not predictable.

Breezeaway 07-23-2010 08:29 AM
Nancy ,What do mean the other colors?

Nancy1999 07-23-2010 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3210739)
Why?

IMO...the Biewer people did that and just boxed themselves into a specific pattern they can not possibly adhere to. It would be a huge mistake if the parti did the same.
Yes when you write a standard you do box yourself in, when no standard is written or you accept terms such as "random" every dog will fit that standard, but there needs to be some type of written description of a perfect example of that breed. It may be impossible to obtain, but that's what good breeders try to do.

Disney 07-23-2010 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3210763)
I believe partis and biewers are the same dog only ones from germany ones from US. If the parti spotting is random so is the biers because its the same gene producing it
This where I get confused...If they exactly the same, why bother having two different name? I hear so many story, very hard to know what believe!

chachi 07-23-2010 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3210773)
This where I get confused...If they exactly the same, why bother having two different name? I hear so many story, very hard to know what believe!
Because one originated in Germany and the other in the US

Disney 07-23-2010 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3210778)
Because one originated in Germany and the other in the US
It seem to all come to opinion/guessing game. Too confusing for my little brain! :p

Breezeaway 07-23-2010 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3210771)
Yes when you write a standard you do box yourself in, when no standard is written or you accept terms such as "random" every dog will fit that standard, but there needs to be some type of written description of a perfect example of that breed. It may be impossible to obtain, but that's what good breeders try to do.
We do have a standard..... it is the Yorkshire terrier standard except for color. What is so hard about that? The Parti is not a separate breed.

Breezeaway 07-23-2010 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3210780)
It seem to all come to opinion/guessing game. Too confusing for my little brain! :p
It is not a guessing game, you dont guess at pedigrees.


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