Tie before ovulation?
 

In response to my other thread, I have a specific question about breeding times. It is my understanding that the female will not allow the male to tie her unless she is ready (has ovulated) is this true in most cases? My female was very willing to breed when my male tied her, is it safe to assume she had already ovulated?

Ovulation is not a one time process..it is extended over a period of days...that is why puppies can come from different breedings and different sires..
What day was your girls first breeding, if it was at 9 days in, and another 9 days later, it would be a 9 and 18 day breeding.....my best guess is the first breeding is the true breeding date. More bitches will breed later in their cycle then very early..at least I find that to be true.. mine will allow an 18 breeding over a 4 day breeding if I permitted.

I know I have read somewhere that some girls will stand earlier and later than others. My Zoe will only stand for about 3, maybe 4 days. I think it's just like with people, every pup is different.

If she stood for him, she is ready. But generally a second breeding 2 days later is what I have done to make sure she takes.
Good luck on your future babies. :)

Just because she stand does not mean she is ready. I have a girl here that will stand on day 5 all the way through day 20..lol I was breeding her on around day 9 and she was not having pups. This last time I waited, started later around 14 and she had pups. I found with my girls if I don't breed until atleast day 12 it is better for us. Like someone said all of them are different.

I guess dogs are all different for sure. Ive always had just the window of time of 8 days to 14 days of the heat. Occasionally one will stand longer or a bit earlier.

Breeding Time
 

Here's some info that you may find useful.

To determine the approximate best time for breeding, the bitch should be presented to a veterinarian for vaginal smear at about five days after the first sign of color and swelling. There are some bitches who come into heat and are ready for breeding before they are willing to accept the male, and in these cases, you or your bet will have to do an artifical insemination. Usually the best time for breeding is about the tenth and twelfth, and fourteenth day of color. You vet can teach you how to read the changes of the cornified cless under a microscope. Some breeders have used diabetic testape, which starts to turn green when the breeding time is right, after being inserted carefully at the opening of the vulva. There is no clinical medical proof that the testape is a good guide, but it does turn green at the mos promising time for breeding.

In some instances, the bitch ovulates before she is willing to accept the male, and in those cases, artificial insemination may be the only answer. In this situation, ovulation testing by your vet is the key to determining the correct breeding time. Fortunately, those instances are rare and probably not worth all the extra effort and expense involved. The period of normal heat is one week coming in in, one week in heat, and one week going out. The ova (eggs) are ready to be fertilized as the reach the uterus and break down if not fertilized within forth-eight hours. The male sperm live up to seven days.

Theree are devices developed; Ovulation Detector. These devices are expensive, but accurate.

This is valuable, educational info and its interesting.
BUt DO people actually do all this testing?

I can only speak to the breeders I know on a personal level. Ovulation testing may not always be performed, but vaginal smears are always done to insure no infection is present that would interfere with producing a healthy litter. But, when one has a virgin bitch that has all the wonderful attributes, they don't want to guesstimate, so it is the best way to establish a bitch's breeding cycle.

I'm so lucky to have a male at home and by the way is neutered tells me when my bitches are ready LOL..haven't missed one with him around yet and I've always had at least 3 to 4 in the litter :)
Harvey is pretty much spot on telling me when my bitches are ready and only 1 tie/breeding is done

Donna

lol....yeppers that is handy..
Not to go off topic but I am in complete amazement that some girls stand for breedings for like 9 days apart?? I have never had this happen. Dont want it to happen either! BUt my girls have a window of time and its always been that way.

Yeah it was nine days lol. She was VERY willing at the beginning and got more moody towards the end but still stood for him. We didn't encourage them to breed that long but they live together and our little sex-crazed male was thrilled that she would let him that long.

On another note, I took her temp this morning and it was 98.9. We're on Day 64 and this is her first litter, I have a feeling it might be tonight but am not getting my hopes up until the temp stays down.

I hope you have a beautiful healthy litter tonight :thumbup:, the suspense must be killing you!

Haha yes it most definitely is. I've been on the watch for labor for almost a week now and this is the closest we've been:)

Im new to this site but not new to the breeding end of it. Did you all know that if you get your girl bred before she ovulates, the chances of having more females than males are very high. My vet explained it to me that the reason is because the male sperm is heavier and swim faster but die sooner than the female sperm does. We tried it with 2 of my females and they both had 4 pups each and only one male in each litter.