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YorkieRose 01-16-2010 02:21 PM
The bitch could not have been sold "Limited regs AND no papers". The breeder kept the papers...limited or full makes no matter, the owner has neither..

The bitch was sold without papers and the breeder should have had a contract stating what the terms of the sale, but they left the door open for more money later...
Perhaps, the breeder orally said, no breeding...but you have to look at this from a legal angle and AKC's side of it.

Oral contracts are ethically binding IMO, but AKC does not recognize oral contracts...they only care how the papers are marked...when none are given with the sale of the pupp, they are not happy about it...they get no revenue from the sale.

Buyer bred the bitch...the breeder is quite willing to change the registration for more money..it is all about the money...I would spay my bitch without papers, place my pups and not register them...the breeder can sit with his hand out until the cows come home.

Ryan Herrod 01-16-2010 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2958378)
AKC Registration does not gurantee you a quality dog.....or that your dog has come from a Reputable Breeder.

But, it is the Registry most desired......it does give you a bit more leverage should there be any dispute over the parentage of a dog and/or if there is question of the dogs pure bred status.....

Let me add, that anyone knowingly breeding a dog on limited registration, in my opinion has put themselves in the category of a BYBer.

My pups are placed with limited registration with a spay/nueter contract. Within that contract should an unauthorized breeding take place, I have the right to confiscate the litter and the dog.

However, everyone knows a contract is only as good as the two people signing it......But, reputable breeders are adding a $5,000 breech of contract fee in their contracts and it is holding up.
Thats how my contract is. the 5000 dollar breech of contract and i hold full rights to getting the dog that was bred against the contract and the entire litter(s) (in case of males) regardless if to say, they went to another registry, they still bred the dog. i know my contract is strict, but nowadays with the way people are, us breeders have to be more stict on out contracts and who we sell our pups to!

Mardelin 01-16-2010 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Herrod (Post 2959514)
Thats how my contract is. the 5000 dollar breech of contract and i hold full rights to getting the dog that was bred against the contract and the entire litter(s) (in case of males) regardless if to say, they went to another registry, they still bred the dog. i know my contract is strict, but nowadays with the way people are, us breeders have to be more stict on out contracts and who we sell our pups to!
Absolutely, I don't want my pedigrees to end up in who knows whose hands and being bred to death. It's my responsibility to protect the lines that my breeder entrusted me with. Even if I place a dog in a show home, I still control the breeding.

Ryan Herrod 01-18-2010 04:14 PM
Our breeders entrust with a lot. i know what i have in my lines (Rothby, Durrer and trying to add Ozmilion), i have to be careful to who i sell. i Dont want somebody throwing my line down to the tube because of the BYB trash that they bred with. We work hard to ensure our lines are excellent, so we should have say in the breeding!

Mardelin 01-18-2010 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Herrod (Post 2962273)
Our breeders entrust with a lot. i know what i have in my lines (Rothby, Durrer and trying to add Ozmilion), i have to be careful to who i sell. i Dont want somebody throwing my line down to the tube because of the BYB trash that they bred with. We work hard to ensure our lines are excellent, so we should have say in the breeding!
You are so right.....Those that came before us put blood, sweat and tears into their lines.....we need to safeguard them......

topknot 01-18-2010 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2962298)
You are so right.....Those that came before us put blood, sweat and tears into their lines.....we need to safeguard them......
So true. You know it did not use to be this way - 30 years ago. But now so many people thinking that they will get rich wants to breed. I am always in the red. Went to the vets today for yearly - 187.50 for one dog. Yep, things have changed and you have to safe-guard. It is the only way.

Mardelin 01-18-2010 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2962420)
So true. You know it did not use to be this way - 30 years ago. But now so many people thinking that they will get rich wants to breed. I am always in the red. Went to the vets today for yearly - 187.50 for one dog. Yep, things have changed and you have to safe-guard. It is the only way.
Tina,

I've only sold one show dog......and she went to my breeder to ask her if it was ok with her to buy the dog from me......She doesn't make a move without asking both of us......

There are so many that want to breed that are pedigree hunters, will go the back door to obtain them. You can pretty much spot them by their websites by what they put on them.

Ryan Herrod 01-19-2010 06:13 PM
I wont sell without my sire's breeder's permission and she helps me decide everything with my dogs. thats what mothers are for. Plus, me being in the navy, i need her help alot when im out to sea. i ask my buyers where they work and how much they make and how much they are in debt, that way i can decide if they can afford everything with the pup they are buying. i also ask to speak to their vet. i have had to turn a couple of people away because of this:thumbup:

gemy 01-19-2010 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2953654)
Yes it is ok for the breeder to charge for the papers, The original owner got the dog for less money without papers. That was the deal. It would probably cost you more to get him registered with AKC than what the pup is worth because of all the late fees AKC would charge plus the 200 for the papers. BTW you can get the pups registered ckc with out the paperwork.
ckc ??? without paperwork - did you mean Canadian Kennel Club|? This registry would definitely not register pups without Paperwork.


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