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crystalsmom 09-27-2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2784344)
I feel Dog Press can be very educational from what is really going on in the dog world. It is not always pretty but I don't think the breeding/show world is very pretty either.

Because AKC is non-profit we should be able to see the complete year-end report and see the real story. Can't cheat on this or the governement will shut them down. Actually I do believe a big portion of their loss of income was the stock market as I have read almost all of their Board Meeting notices since 1999. I haven't found it yet but it should be public notice. I don't know what their income really was from pet owners and a lot of BYB probably never registered with them in the first place since they had lousy pedigree's.

Actually AKC finally backed off some of the volume business they were going after which is why they finally decided to get into agility with mutts. They decided they wanted some of the revenue on this.

There is a great deal of information out there if people really want to know the truth.
They would have to have lost quite a bit in the market since I'm sure so much of it was invested.

I did not know that they were non-profit? They seem to be after the almighty dollar in any new way they never would have years back (registering mixed breeds) in some cases etc.

They are the best Registry out there but we must demand better. Like Nancy said, we have to work to have state laws past that will better protect our pets and then we can demand they close alot of these mills down.

fannie 09-28-2009 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2817682)
That was my understanding too. I'd be willing to be that any 'suspended' breeders got their status as a result of adhering to their rules, not simply because they were classified as a puppy mill. So then I'm not sure why they can be credited with taking an active role in stopping them. :confused:


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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 2817776)
The last thing AKC wants to do is suspend a breeder. Registering dogs is what they do, they rely on that revenue. If you are in violation of their guidelines such as, record keeping, instead of suspending you they send someone to help you fix the problem and they do this until you get it right.


I agree. I don't think they can be credited in stopping them. However, I do know that when AKC was here, they dna'd my puppies and parents. I don't believe that any other registry does that. Or if they even do inspections.

For record keeping, I see an awful lot of people suspended for inadequate records. I've never heard of them coming back and helping you fix the problem.

BamaFan121s 09-28-2009 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fannie (Post 2818319)
I agree. I don't think they can be credited in stopping them. However, I do know that when AKC was here, they dna'd my puppies and parents. I don't believe that any other registry does that. Or if they even do inspections.
Inspections vs taking actions against puppy mills--two completely different, unrelated issues. I really just posed the question because it was implied earlier that AKC should receive some credit for taking action against mills...which I do NOT think is correct.

(For the record, yes, there are some other registries that do that as well...just not in the same capacity as AKC does. AKC by a long shot, sets the bar there.)

Dixies Mom 09-28-2009 06:31 AM
AKC Complaint Specialist
 
When I started the process with a breeder I am having problems with, I ask an AKC complaint specialist about her being suspended for not being able to identify her dogs and her paperwork and they absolutely told me they will make up to 3 trips to help them solve the problem before they will suspend them. In some cases I would agree to ONE visit from them but in others, if they don't know their dogs they need to be suspended.

fannie 09-28-2009 06:37 AM
That's good to know that other registries do inspections.

And no, I don't think AKC should get credit for taking down puppy mills unless they were the ones that reported it to the authorities.

And wow... if AKC makes 3 trips to someones home to give them the chance to get their paperwork right I'm astonished at how many people are on the AKC suspension list for that. The paperwork is the easiest part!

livingdustmops 09-28-2009 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 2817807)
They would have to have lost quite a bit in the market since I'm sure so much of it was invested.

I did not know that they were non-profit? They seem to be after the almighty dollar in any new way they never would have years back (registering mixed breeds) in some cases etc.

They are the best Registry out there but we must demand better. Like Nancy said, we have to work to have state laws past that will better protect our pets and then we can demand they close alot of these mills down.
You can look at their financial statement...it is all on their website...you can see how much they have spent on inspections.

They have always been not for profit...

Since the day I came to YT I have always stated we have to change the laws..and I have posted about AKC and their greed. I do not think it is acceptible to say "well they are trying" as they are helping to kill millions of dogs. Please spend some time on their website reading all of their board meetings...look at their comments about volumn breeders and Hunte Corporation entertaining them to register their puppies. Hunte Corporation is the largest provider of dogs to pet shops. I was shocked as I so wanted to believe AKC was protecting the purebred dog but they were protecting their pockets.

I grew up with AKC dogs but all of us have learned that it boils down to the breeder...period!

BamaFan121s 09-28-2009 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2818370)
I grew up with AKC dogs but all of us have learned that it boils down to the breeder...period!
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