Any business with this breeder?
 

I am looking to add a biewer boy to my family and came across this breeder on PuppyFind - xtremepups.com. She looks like she has nice dogs, but was wondering if anyone has dealt with her before spending $$$. Any info greatly appreciated.

Congrates on adding a biewer to your family! You are going to love the breed :) Sorry, I don't know her although I have also seen the ads on puppyfind.

They do have nice looking dogs. I Googled the phone numbers, since that is about all the info they give on the dog pages. The first number is for Lebanon Valley Cycles. Dick and Deb Sidle are the owners and I assume the dog owners also. I also Googled LVC, their names, and Xtremepups and found nothing said against them. Good luck in finding just the right baby.

Actually she is a member of BTCA. They are breeding biewer terriers which they state is a combination of three breeds.

If you are looking to purchase a biewer whose breeders are striving to maintain the heritage and standard as in the country of origin...I suggest looking here. Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA

Good luck with your search and be forewarned...you can't stop at just one.

Good Luck !! I don't have one , but they r beautful dogs
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Good luck in your search. Deb is right, you can't stop with just one.

never heard of them, but I wish you luck in your search

Thank you for the replies everyone. On the BBCA website there are no breeder listings. Google only brings back a few breeders. I know there have got to be more! I am not sure if I want to be involved in the controversy between the different clubs, so I may just stick with looking for an IBC breeder. But I still am doing a lot of research and just don't know yet. I don't want to offend anyone, but I just don't like drama!

Any thoughts from the biewer people? I would appreciate your opinions.

Not certain you're still interested but you must've overlooked this page...
http://www.biewerbci.org/Members.htm

You may be interested in reading the breed order governing breedings in the club also.
http://www.biewerbci.org/Breed%20Order.htm

There are lots of biewer breeders out there who do not provide health testing nor DNA parentage. Carefully research your breeder.

Lastly the drama you mention is for the most part contained on this site.

Good luck.

I looked at her site, and I'm a little disappointed that she uses the words, "Home of Exquisite Biewer and Yorkie Terriers of High Quality with Baby Doll Faces and Champion Bloodlines." There are certain terms that I think better breeders avoid when describing their dogs, and Baby Doll Faces is one of them.

She also mentions teacups and advertises Holiday (xmas ) pups. She also has on the website she is a licensed kennel

If you are going to start breeding Biewers then IMO you need to do a lot more research and since this breed is so young then I believe you owe it to the dogs to do even more research and understand many of the health issues from inline breeding as well as the history of the dogs that are already here in the US. All 3 active clubs know which dogs have LS showing in their lines and you will run smack into all sorts of problems if you are only going to breed these dogs. Sorry if you don't like drama but I believe for the "health" of the dogs you will have to get involved with some of it. You are not going to get your answers on YT.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...oy-wanted.html

Oh no, not teacups! I don't like the idea of a breeder pushing Holiday pups either!

Dustmops - I am doing LOTS of researching and not only out to breed. I even said I was still doing lots of research in the post you replied to. I love the breed, think they are very beautiful and want to be part of it. Why the hostility? I am not going to go out and buy the first ones I see - I am going to do my part, buy from a reputable breeder, hopefully one from YT and do a good job. I am NOT in this for money, if that is what you are implying. I do not appreciate the disrespect. If I can't get answers from anyone off YT, then why was this site created? Why even be a member? Why does anyone ask questions?

Thanks to those with opinions on the site - I saw those red flags too and thought the same things, but wanted others input as well.

Urbnalbino....there is a vast number of reputable biewer breeders who are not members of YT and with very few exceptions the ones who are here...are members of clubs. I wouldn't limit my "research" to this one site. You are already working with a breeder...they can be a wealth of knowledge and can guide you.

I think some of you guys are being a little unfair to Urbanalbino and definitely jumping to conclusions. Her family has a well known kennel in my area and I have 2 of their dogs. I am beyond satisfied with my Yorkies from them and might I add passed all vet inspections one has been breed and came off with flying colors as well as her offspring. One of my Yorkies from them is 5 years old and still in excellent health including patellas. They don't breed with any dogs other than champion status and are fanatical about the health of the parents. They didn't hop on the Biewer bandwagon to make a bunch of money because Biewers go for twice as much as Yorkies. This girl loves Biewers, thinks they are beautiful, and wants to own one of her own. Who said that she wasn't going to research or ensure the breeding quaility of her new puppy??? When I became interested in Biewers I spent hours upon hours reading the forums and acquainting myself with the Biewer network and researching the clubs, breed, and its origins and hours on the phone with Biewer breeders who were willing to extend themselves and exerptise to educate me in addition to my research. Urbanalbino has done the exact same thing. Her mother has breed Yorkies for 18 years and responsibly I might add. I know because I have checked her out thoroughly and have been in touch with her ever since I got a dog from her kennel and personally toured it. I post things on this forum looking for answers to questions that I have and comparing notes with other breeders and I consider it a great resource. Most people have more experience on here than me but if I can at all add my 2 cents to someone that has an issue I do. This forum has a reputation of getting nasty with breeders with less experience than others. I had left the forum and came back and was happy to see that I was able to post freely without being attacked as it had happened to me in the past. When readers or breeders are offended then they leave the forum and why would you want to chance that over jumping to conclusions when you could be helping someone that IS trying to better the breed and you could contribute to that? What is the alternative to good advice on YT? Trial and error?

I hope that you will take this into consideration instead in future posts.

I am always willing to answer any questions about the Biewers either by PM, email or telephone. My carpal tunnel makes it difficult to type long answers but I think the poster coming to the forum to ask questions is part of the process of doing research.

Sorry if you thought I was being hostile. I have been involved with the Biewers since 2004...not as a breeder but a fancier and I am a board member of one of the clubs. My only interst is protecting this breed and while my post might be a little strong I do not see where I was disrepectful. The majority of reputable breeders are not on YT and spend more of their time on Biewer forums. At one time there was a sister site to YT called BT but it was closed.

I do believe that with a new variation it is critical for the safe health of these dogs to be very involved with other Biewer breeders. In fact it is not so political on some of the Biewer forums as it is on YT and there are many people willing to help if you ask.

It really is sad but these wonderful dogs are already ending up in puppy mills and in very poor breeding situations.

I would hope that since a female for breeding purposes had been purchased....the "research" had already been done.

Rachel obviously with your Mother's experience in breeding and expertise you have the actual principles and practices of breeding covered. All you need to do is research the breed further by familiarizing yourself with its origins & health issues, look into what the clubs have to offer, and decide how you want to register your dogs once they arrive. You have plenty of time. You are doing the right thing. Stick to networking with people who are willing to mentor you in the process. You won't have any problem finding breeders to work with you and answer your questions. Don't worry about those who get nasty or those who are territorial about their club.

Let me clarify to make sure that I don't upset anyone. First and foremost before any of the checklist of things that I mentioned in my previous post directly above this Urbanalbino you would want to ensure the quality of the dog for breeding and have the female cleared by a vet for breeding. I did not mention that because I am familiar with your family's breeding practices and I didn't want to tell you something that you are well aware of. But these posts are read by many others that might search them at a later time and I would hope that the breeding quality of the dog they are considering breeding would be their primary concern.

Hello, I would like to clear some things up that have been said about me:

1. I DO NOT sell Holiday pups--those pics are of my own personal Pets and Breeding Stock and are NOT for Sale. Teacups I do have on occasion but do not breed for them!

2. I am a Licensed Breeder, in the state of Pa. anyone who sells or owns more than 26 dogs in a year has to be Licensed.--so what is wrong with being Legal??? How many other Breeders go Legal?????

3. I sell the same Biewers as any of the BBCA members and actually have the same lines and bought from the same kennel in Germany as Dee and other BBCA members! I also persomally visited Mrs Biewer in Germany at her Home and would never taint this Wonderful Breed in any way and do strive to produce Quality pups and yes I like the look of the Baby Doll Faces!! I also do DNA all of my Stock and do Testing! I am by far NOT a Puppy MILL and would be glad to provide references from Vets and lots of HAPPY customers to anyone.
As far as buying from BTCA members or BBCA members I think it is unfair to point fingers at any as we ALL love the Breed but all clubs have thier own beliefs and should be trying to get along as Adults!

4. Yes My Husband and I are owners of Lebanon Valley Cycles a Motorcycle Dealership and am Proud of our Sattisfied Customers since 1978.

If you need any other Info about me or my Kennel feel free to ask but please don't Jump to conclusions and Judge me as a Breeder!!!



Thanks, Deb Sidle-Xtreme Pups

I sell the same Biewers as any of the BBCA members and actually have the same lines and bought from the same kennel in Germany as Dee and other BBCA members!

Thank you Deb. All of those who belong to any of the clubs who love this breed do DNA, LS testing, OFA, CERF and Brucellious (sp?) testing before breeding. I do because it is important to be breeding healthy parents to have healthy puppies.

I hope the OP finds the puppy/s of her dreams.