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Princessangela3 08-16-2009 04:53 PM
Momma loosing hair
 
Bella mia's puppies are almost 7 weeks old. They are weaned for the most part eating solid food. Today we gave Bella Mia a bath and we noticed she has lost A LOT of hair in approximately 1 1/2 weeks. It is all over and seems really thin. We can see her skin where before you never could see her skin. Any ideas about why this is happening and is there anything I should do?

Mom2TwoYorkies 08-16-2009 05:12 PM
Maybe it is a hormonal thing? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that most females lose hair after whelping and nursing . . .I'll try to find the source.

Princessangela3 08-16-2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mom2TwoYorkies (Post 2758877)
Maybe it is a hormonal thing? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that most females lose hair after whelping and nursing . . .I'll try to find the source.
She did loose a "patch" of hair top of her behind after whelping but it grew back pretty quickly. This seems more like her hair thinned out all over her back, neck, and top of her behind but not her face. Thanks for looking for the source.

smartpuppiepets 08-16-2009 06:04 PM
it is normal for moms to loose a looooottttt of hair after the litter, therefore one of the reasons responsible and conscious breeders do not breed every heat cycle. Make sure you keep feeding mom well balanced food, she is in need to replenish her own reserves. Do you feed a premium food? We feed a dry premium food. If she is "emaciated" you can keep her on puppy food premium of course, for a couple weeks and then starting changing to the adult food.
Keep up with the good food and she will soon start to regrow a gorgeous full coat again.

is this your first litter?

XOXO

Princessangela3 08-16-2009 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 2758939)
it is normal for moms to loose a looooottttt of hair after the litter, therefore one of the reasons responsible and conscious breeders do not breed every heat cycle. Make sure you keep feeding mom well balanced food, she is in need to replenish her own reserves. Do you feed a premium food? We feed a dry premium food. If she is "emaciated" you can keep her on puppy food premium of course, for a couple weeks and then starting changing to the adult food.
Keep up with the good food and she will soon start to regrow a gorgeous full coat again.

is this your first litter?

XOXO

She is fed Chicken Soup For the Puppy Lovers Soul as her kibble while weaning when she has completed her weaning then she goes back to dog lovers soul, she is fed eggs for breakfast with kibble mixed in and for dinner she eats boiled chichen, white rice, carrots, and american cheese mixed with kibble. I bathed her 1 1/2 weeks ago (useually it is weekly but I fell behind this week) when I last bathed her she did not have this hair loss. She doesnt seem to have any other issues...shes happy, playing, eating all normal. Yes this is my first litter.

smartpuppiepets 08-16-2009 07:05 PM
I am not familiar with this brand of food you are using. We like premium food and we usually stick to the dry food and do not supplement with home made cooking. If she has a good appetite the dog food is well balanced.

Do not worry as her hair will come in. You will see it.

Keep her happy !!!!

XOXO

tammys 08-16-2009 09:51 PM
Our vet warned us that Cassie would look scrawny and her hair would look thin after the puppies were born. I don't know if it's b/c she only had two pups or if it's b/c she didn't have the normal mommy stresses (since she didn't do squat for them! LOL), but she never looked bad. In fact she looks more beautiful than ever! LMBO!

Anyway, I have heard that it is normal. Just give her a great diet, and now that the babies are weaning, I bet she'll get back to her beautiful self. :p

mimimomo 08-16-2009 11:08 PM
Chicken Soup is a premium food. Mimi lost alot of hair after whelping her 1st litter. It's normal. She has grown it all back. So will your's.

Mardelin 08-17-2009 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2758985)
She is fed Chicken Soup For the Puppy Lovers Soul as her kibble while weaning when she has completed her weaning then she goes back to dog lovers soul, she is fed eggs for breakfast with kibble mixed in and for dinner she eats boiled chichen, white rice, carrots, and american cheese mixed with kibble. I bathed her 1 1/2 weeks ago (useually it is weekly but I fell behind this week) when I last bathed her she did not have this hair loss. She doesnt seem to have any other issues...shes happy, playing, eating all normal. Yes this is my first litter.
Angela,

What your feeding is a good quality food. What is happening to your mom is she's blowing coat. Though other breeds do this normally, it's not very common with yorkies, but it does happen. My Go-Go did it every time she whelped a litter. The one thing to look out for (and this is based on personal experience) is that she doesn't begin to scratch/itch. If that happens, begin to bathe her in cool baths, every 3 days, good medicated shampoo. Watch for signs of little bumps where she's lost her coat. If that happens, have your vet look at her. It could be a staph infection....very easily treated with 10 days of antibiotics.

Sugar's Mom 08-17-2009 04:22 AM
I have had two bitches that "blew their coats" each time they had babies. it does come back after awhilee but it sure can ruin a coat. This happened to one of my champions. Fortunately, she was already championed before she was bred because I don't think her coat will ever be the same as it was before even tho the hair did come back.

Mardelin 08-17-2009 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2759305)
I have had two bitches that "blew their coats" each time they had babies. it does come back after awhilee but it sure can ruin a coat. This happened to one of my champions. Fortunately, she was already championed before she was bred because I don't think her coat will ever be the same as it was before even tho the hair did come back.
Ahhhh Dee, As you know that's why we Champion our bitches as quick as possible. They never look the same after they've whelped a litter. Even if they don't blow their coats. Especially if they have true silk coats. I look at my Champion girls now and tell them they look like housewives.

I've found that if I keep them in puppy cuts they do look better.

Princessangela3 08-17-2009 05:37 AM
She is itching a bit and when I bathed her yesterday I used Bio-groom Anti itch oatmeal shampoo etc yesterday. I also use Minksheen. She did seem a bit better after her bath. I do not see any bumps or anything else that looks strange. Her coat in front is silky smooth and in back cottony and fluffy, certainly not as silky smooth as before. Thanks for the help.

Princessangela3 08-17-2009 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 2759031)
I am not familiar with this brand of food you are using. We like premium food and we usually stick to the dry food and do not supplement with home made cooking. If she has a good appetite the dog food is well balanced.

Do not worry as her hair will come in. You will see it.

Keep her happy !!!!

XOXO
There is a pet food scoring sheet here on YT in the Food and Diet thread I think that's what it is called. Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul is a high quality food. I supplement her with home cooking for extra calcium and protein because of the size of her litter per the vet and friends here at YT. I have cut the home cooking back alot and I will not do the home cooking after the pups are weaned well maybe just as a treat. I think she is happy cause when she is sad she mopes ALOT. (Like when she is in trouble or dressed up which I dont dress her up anymore) Thanks for the input.

Mardelin 08-17-2009 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2759374)
She is itching a bit and when I bathed her yesterday I used Bio-groom Anti itch oatmeal shampoo etc yesterday. I also use Minksheen. She did seem a bit better after her bath. I do not see any bumps or anything else that looks strange. Her coat in front is silky smooth and in back cottony and fluffy, certainly not as silky smooth as before. Thanks for the help.
Make sure her baths are cool. Oh! I forgot, you might want to do a vinegar rinse. 1 part vinagar to 10 parts of water. It aids in making sure all soap residue is out and combating any bacteria.

Princessangela3 08-17-2009 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2759312)
Ahhhh Dee, As you know that's why we Champion our bitches as quick as possible. They never look the same after they've whelped a litter. Even if they don't blow their coats. Especially if they have true silk coats. I look at my Champion girls now and tell them they look like housewives.

I've found that if I keep them in puppy cuts they do look better.

I always said she looked like a ragamuffin before but it was because SHE would dirty herself rolling in the dirt or grass etc well now she REALLY looks like a ragamuffin even after her bath!!! Blowing her coat does it go front to back?

Mardelin 08-17-2009 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2759386)
I always said she looked like a ragamuffin before but it was because SHE would dirty herself rolling in the dirt or grass etc well now she REALLY looks like a ragamuffin even after her bath!!! Blowing her coat does it go front to back?
The experience I've had, is that it happens more on the hind quarters and hind legs......don't know why. My line is very slow growing silk....so, it takes a long time to grow back. That's why I tell them they look like housewives and not of the OC or NY kind.

Princessangela3 08-17-2009 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2759385)
Make sure her baths are cool. Oh! I forgot, you might want to do a vinegar rinse. 1 part vinagar to 10 parts of water. It aids in making sure all soap residue is out and combating any bacteria.
Shaun asked me to ask you when should he start trainng Sherman and what training can he do?


I forgot to tell you I put a pic of the puppies in the nursery.

Mardelin 08-17-2009 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2759403)
Shaun asked me to ask you when should he start trainng Sherman and what training can he do?


I forgot to tell you I put a pic of the puppies in the nursery.
I don't think you plan to show him in conformation, so you can start with the sit command.....do it in a quiet area, show him the treat and verbalize the sit. To get him to sit, put the treat close to his face and slowly raise it. This should automatically get him to sit. But if it doesn't. Have Shaun sit on the floor with Sherman to his right side, verbalize the sit command and gently push on his little butt (Sherman's not Shaun's). You'll be surprised how quickly they learn. After he get's it, he can go on to the down command.....Don't attempt to do any lead training for a bit. Just make sure everything you attempt with him is a game and fun.

Princessangela3 08-17-2009 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2759414)
I don't think you plan to show him in conformation, so you can start with the sit command.....do it in a quiet area, show him the treat and verbalize the sit. To get him to sit, put the treat close to his face and slowly raise it. This should automatically get him to sit. But if it doesn't. Have Shaun sit on the floor with Sherman to his right side, verbalize the sit command and gently push on his little butt (Sherman's not Shaun's). You'll be surprised how quickly they learn. After he get's it, he can go on to the down command.....Don't attempt to do any lead training for a bit. Just make sure everything you attempt with him is a game and fun.

Thanks Mary and no Sherman is not being shown. Shaun is excited to start training and bonding with Sherman. He wants Sherman to be his boy like Bella Mia is my girl.

smartpuppiepets 08-17-2009 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2759382)
There is a pet food scoring sheet here on YT in the Food and Diet thread I think that's what it is called. Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul is a high quality food. I supplement her with home cooking for extra calcium and protein because of the size of her litter per the vet and friends here at YT. I have cut the home cooking back alot and I will not do the home cooking after the pups are weaned well maybe just as a treat. I think she is happy cause when she is sad she mopes ALOT. (Like when she is in trouble or dressed up which I dont dress her up anymore) Thanks for the input.
Great ! If that is a great food you are doing all right ! This food is not popular in my area ... that is why i never even looked into it.
Somehow if they are unhappy it takes longer for them to bounce back to their normal self, but if she is all happy it is not going to take long at all.

I saw the other posts about the hair never looking as good again. With our experience we noticed that after they loose all the hair they are supposed to loose , new beautiful hair comes in. We usually give a very short puppy cut after weaning the puppies. I am not sure if that is what could make a difference, as we only see the good new hair coming all together.

The post about the infection is very interesting. We never had it so i have no experience, but the great thing about many different inputs is this: more heads think and know better than one !

She will be beautiful again ! You will see it !!!

Ps.: Here they love the dressing up... so when they are not very happy i usually dress them up ... kkkk put new bows and stuff !!!

XOXO

Mardelin 08-17-2009 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2759437)
Thanks Mary and no Sherman is not being shown. Shaun is excited to start training and bonding with Sherman. He wants Sherman to be his boy like Bella Mia is my girl.
Then make sure that Shaun is the only one that feeds him. When lil Sherman is able to go out and about, make sure takes him with him.

I saw the pics in the nursery....you need to post updated ones.

Mardelin 08-17-2009 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 2759451)
Great ! If that is a great food you are doing all right ! This food is not popular in my area ... that is why i never even looked into it.
Somehow if they are unhappy it takes longer for them to bounce back to their normal self, but if she is all happy it is not going to take long at all.

I saw the other posts about the hair never looking as good again. With our experience we noticed that after they loose all the hair they are supposed to loose , new beautiful hair comes in. We usually give a very short puppy cut after weaning the puppies. I am not sure if that is what could make a difference, as we only see the good new hair coming all together.

The post about the infection is very interesting. We never had it so i have no experience, but the great thing about many different inputs is this: more heads think and know better than one !

She will be beautiful again ! You will see it !!!

Ps.: Here they love the dressing up... so when they are not very happy i usually dress them up ... kkkk put new bows and stuff !!!

XOXO
I usually do a puppy cut prior to breeding, I don't want to take the chance of puppies being strangled by mother's coat......

Since I show dogs, show coats take a bit more cultivating. So, once I've bred a mom, they tend to go lighter and a bit sparser, not ever getting back to that show coat again.

smartpuppiepets 08-17-2009 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2759459)
I usually do a puppy cut prior to breeding, I don't want to take the chance of puppies being strangled by mother's coat......

Since I show dogs, show coats take a bit more cultivating. So, once I've bred a mom, they tend to go lighter and a bit sparser, not ever getting back to that show coat again.
We do a puppy cut closed to whelping date, then again, a very short one after we wean the puppies.

I found that depending on what you are feeding they do lighten up , you are right, but i also find that they put back color if they are fed puppy food a while after they wean the puppies.

I have a retired "old" lady here that was very light after she had her last litter, 6 puppies... she got so emaciated... her hair is now the most gorgeous one, intense color an shiny, even after getting spayed.

We noticed the food impact in color even with males. We have a champion male started getting a lot of silver in the roots. Eventually half of his hair was turning silver, we switched him and he started darkening up again. He is back to his 'glorious" days. But you can see the line, like someone who dies the hair blond then you can see the dark roots.

I am not currently showing, but had so i am very familiar with the care and effort to grow a coat, care is never too much .

XOXO

MyTrixie143 08-17-2009 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2759390)
The experience I've had, is that it happens more on the hind quarters and hind legs......don't know why. My line is very slow growing silk....so, it takes a long time to grow back. That's why I tell them they look like housewives and not of the OC or NY kind.
That is interesting. My one girl's coat thins when she has a litter of pups and it is always her hind quarters and hind legs that is affected. The rest if perfectly fine. It grows back in very nicely once she has the pups weaned.
I always thought it was weird that her back end was affected more, guess I know now that it isn't uncommon.

Lori_Hillegass 08-23-2009 07:57 PM
Momma loosing hair
 
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Originally Posted by Princessangela3 (Post 2758852)
Bella mia's puppies are almost 7 weeks old. They are weaned for the most part eating solid food. Today we gave Bella Mia a bath and we noticed she has lost A LOT of hair in approximately 1 1/2 weeks. It is all over and seems really thin. We can see her skin where before you never could see her skin. Any ideas about why this is happening and is there anything I should do?
Yes, they do have hair loss after whelping. I also feed a premium wet food for the first week and then mix a premium wet and premium dry food together for another week. Then she gets just the premium dry food about 3 to 4 times a day. The female I have losses hair every time she whelps. It is definitely hormonal, at least that's the way it appears to me. It grows back but I also don't breed my females every cycle. That would be like you having a baby every year. I'd pass on that one. I also give vitamins daily and extra calcium after they whelp until the puppies are weaned. Hope it helps and don't worry.


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