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adrianne 08-06-2009 07:53 AM

maggie & oscar tie !!!!!
 
My lovley maggie and oscar have tied at least four times they are both a year old i was keeping them apart but as i was at work my youngest son thought that they were missing each other and let them play!!!! i am affraid that it will damage her to have pups as this is only her second heat and she is a year old however she is very fit and very healthy lady please all advise greatly appreciated i have read and downloaded pages and pages of information but some more would do no harm. :)

bjh 08-06-2009 08:26 AM

:confused:They accidentally tied four times in one day???? Your female is awful young to be having pups. I would keep them apart and pray the breeding does not take. It is not safe for the male or the female to be breeding unsupervised.

fannie 08-06-2009 08:30 AM

How big are your they? Do you know the sizes of their parents, grandparents, etc?

BamaFan121s 08-06-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2743199)
:confused:They accidentally tied four times in one day???? Your female is awful young to be having pups. I would keep them apart and pray the breeding does not take. It is not safe for the male or the female to be breeding unsupervised.

Exactly...took the words right out of my mouth.

Mardelin 08-06-2009 09:55 AM

Oh dear.........De Ja Vu

adrianne 08-06-2009 10:02 AM

i asked for advice and that was all i love my dogs very much and would do nothing to harm them maggie is 4lb and oscar is 3.5lb

bjh 08-06-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by adrianne (Post 2743341)
i asked for advice and that was all i love my dogs very much and would do nothing to harm them maggie is 4lb and oscar is 3.5lb

There are a lot of risks to breeding dogs. Most people do a lot of research before breeding. Your female is very small. It is not recommended to breed females under 5 lbs. A large 1 year old female would have a better chance of delivering safely than a female like yours that is under 5 lbs. Since the deed is already done you have two choices, either have your female spayed now or wait to see if she is pregnant. If you decide to wait to see if she is pregnant then you need to start reading up on whelping and rearing pups. The risk to the female is that she could not deliver naturally and require a c-section or she could rupture her uterus. Either one of those scenarios could be life threatening for her and the pups. I pray that what ever happens that the momma does well.

Mardelin 08-06-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by adrianne (Post 2743341)
i asked for advice and that was all i love my dogs very much and would do nothing to harm them maggie is 4lb and oscar is 3.5lb

Your girl is much too young and too small have been bred, even if it was by accident. I know you're asking for advice, however the only advice I can offer is take care, have her x-rayed a week before her due date. You want to make sure she'll be able to deliver these pups naturally. She may require a C-section. Get your whelping supplies together; learn everything you can about whelping toy breeds. And schedule about 4 weeks off from work.

adrianne 08-06-2009 10:24 AM

i understand that there is risks there she is a lovely wee dog who always makes me laugh when i see her waiting for me when i get home from work at night however i was wrong about both there weights the last time i put them on the scales was about 3 months ago and my husband just told me to weigh them again i was quite shocked but maggie is actually 5lb 4oz and oscar is 5lb they are both fantastic little dogs who have brought great joy to my family and we love them very much i have booked her in with our vet to get a good check up i will however do what he thinks is best for both of them thank you for the advice, oh i'm not the kind of person who would harm an animal in any way my little pets are quite spoiled but i would have it no other way :D

sapo1009 08-06-2009 10:25 AM

I am sure by now you wish you would have stayed to your self. It is hard to take all the advise that is posted on here. Yes she is young but I know many breeders that say the second heat as long as the dam is in good health could breed. Now she is a bit small but I have also seen smaller. It is harder on them the smaller they are they can have more complications. I breed my yorkie on her second heat the lady that studded said it would be fine, she did great had 4 pups no problems. Some could say I was lucky. She was also 5.5 pds. Now what is done is done. I would say look in the breeders section and read as much as you can to be ready. I have had two litters and another one comming in 3 weeks and I still get nervious. Also contact your vet and get their help as well. Good luck I hope if she has pups all goes well. Dont be afraid to post when that time comes. Everyone will try and help you get through.
Christina

adrianne 08-06-2009 10:49 AM

Thankyou Christina they are lovely pets he is now in jail for a few days they go to the vet tomorrow l hope all goes well for her she is in excellent health and very fit i spent a bit of time today when John phoned me to work downloading information and reserched a lot before i even got them i'll see what the vet says tomorrow. :)

adrianne 08-07-2009 01:13 AM

Up this morning maggie and oscar got breakfast he sniffed round her (supervised) but she did'nt want to know things seemed to be getting back to normal but she is spotting pinkish blood does this mean that the tie did'nt take?? :confused:oh it's 10.15 am here

bjh 08-07-2009 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by adrianne (Post 2744703)
Up this morning maggie and oscar got breakfast he sniffed round her (supervised) but she did'nt want to know things seemed to be getting back to normal but she is spotting pinkish blood does this mean that the tie did'nt take?? :confused:oh it's 10.15 am here

How long has she been in heat? The heat cycle lasts 21 days. The pinkish color is normal and has nothing to do with if she is pregnant or not.

Mardelin 08-07-2009 05:11 AM

You didn't mention when the original breeding time took place. She may not have been ready to breed (not ovulating). The time length for a Season is 21 days:

1. First 7 days = swelling, pink and softening.
2. Second 7 days = showing color (bleeding).
3 Third 7 days = Breeding time = Color is fading to light pink, even brownish. Breeding takes place on the 10th & 12th place from the the first day of color. Conception doesn't ordinarly take place on those days but, when she ovulates.

BamaFan121s 08-07-2009 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adrianne (Post 2743341)
i asked for advice and that was all i love my dogs very much and would do nothing to harm them maggie is 4lb and oscar is 3.5lb

I don't think anyone here believes that you would intentionally do anything to put either of your dogs at risk. However, the deed has already been done. There was a risk in allowing them so many ties, especially unsupervised and there will be risks involved with her carrying and whelping a litter. The risks are there, regardless to if you are aware of them or if they were intentional. If you are unaware of the risks involved, then you certainly need to be advised--that is what others were trying to convey--so that you understand the seriousness of the situation.

Again, I don't believe for one second that you meant any harm, but the situation is not ideal and obviously it is upsetting for those who DO realize the dangers and risks involved to read and just sit back and ignore.

As for advice, which is what you are requesting: make sure you have a vet that you feel comfortable with that is willing to help you. Your knowledge regarding the breed process seems very limted, judging from your comments/questions/assumptions so you will need to rely heavily on others to help guide you through the process. I would suggest that you find an experienced breeder willing to help you out and assist during the whelp. When momma nears her due date, she will need to be closely monitored at all times and will need to be in her environment where she is comfortable, so prepare for that in advance. Find a quality, high protein puppy food for her to eat now, if you have not already.

Good luck.


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