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Brooklynn 07-27-2009 05:47 PM
Radar is my show dog and is kept in oil and wraps and is allowed to go outside in the grass, concrete, through the doggie door, on my bed, on the furniture, sleeps on a cotton fabric bed or satin whichever he wants. He's my pet first and show dog second and he has a BEAUTIFUL in condition coat. He's treated no different than my pets except kept in oil and in wraps.

Donna

kalina82 07-27-2009 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2727773)
Cotton coats are not thin and breaking. They are as you described, thick, puffy and sticks straight out......

The best way to describe it is if you have a silk thread and try to break it, it's difficult to do so. Cotton thread is easier to break.
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727778)
A cotton coat is thick and wooley...to get an idea of a cotton coat just get a cotton ball and feel it. It's thick wavey and matts very easliy very thick and well cottoney. I have found on my brookie who has a cotton coat it doesn't really break easy but matts very easy and thick and wooley...a modified silk in my opinion is more on the silk side but is considered mixed with a soft which comes from a cotton coat. In my opinion to get a soft coat it's more on the cotton side than silk and a modified silk coat is more on the silk side but thicker than a true silk coat hence more silk than soft but less silky feeling.

Think of what silk fabric feels like vs. a cotton fabric....then feel a cotton ball and feel the difference. This is the best description I can come up with to get a feel for the differences in texture.
ok so then she has a cotton coat. LOL It never lays down flat. she was just about 2 inches long before i cut her down because of matting. i would brush her out after spraying with ice on ice, then part her hair. it would look ridiculous because it was just getting bigger and bigger down the sides of her body. then she'd shake and it'd all be standing back up. My friends thought she was fat, but then i shaved her down and they see she's as skinny as a stick :rolleyes:

Mardelin 07-27-2009 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727778)
A cotton coat is thick and wooley...to get an idea of a cotton coat just get a cotton ball and feel it. It's thick wavey and matts very easliy very thick and well cottoney. I have found on my brookie who has a cotton coat it doesn't really break easy but matts very easy and thick and wooley...a modified silk in my opinion is more on the silk side but is considered mixed with a soft which comes from a cotton coat. In my opinion to get a soft coat it's more on the cotton side than silk and a modified silk coat is more on the silk side but thicker than a true silk coat hence more silk than soft but less silky feeling.

Think of what silk fabric feels like vs. a cotton fabric....then feel a cotton ball and feel the difference. This is the best description I can come up with to get a feel for the differences in texture.
One more thing to add; Cotton coats do not reflect light as silk coats do.

If you see a silk coat in the dark it shimmers.

Mardelin 07-27-2009 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727782)
Radar is my show dog and is kept in oil and wraps and is allowed to go outside in the grass, concrete, through the doggie door, on my bed, on the furniture, sleeps on a cotton fabric bed or satin whichever he wants. He's my pet first and show dog second and he has a BEAUTIFUL in condition coat. He's treated no different than my pets except kept in oil and in wraps.

Donna
You're right Donna, the key thing is keeping them in wraps....Some people think that our show dogs aren't allowed to do anything, but not true.....

Brooklynn 07-27-2009 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2727786)
One more thing to add; Cotton coats do not reflect light as silk coats do.

If you see a silk coat in the dark it shimmers.
Also a silk coat is cool to the touch and a soft, or cotton coat is warm to the touch. I never actually believed that but it's true! Radar's coat is very cool to the touch and Brookie's is warm to the touch and her coat does NOT reflect the light

kalina82 07-27-2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2727786)
One more thing to add; Cotton coats do not reflect light as silk coats do.

If you see a silk coat in the dark it shimmers.
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727791)
Also a silk coat is cool to the touch and a soft, or cotton coat is warm to the touch. I never actually believed that but it's true! Radar's coat is very cool to the touch and Brookie's is warm to the touch and her coat does NOT reflect the light
Both very true. Morgan's coat isn't shiney no matter what i do or what light she's in. And she's definitely never cool to the touch. she's warm or room temp.

Brooklynn 07-27-2009 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2727790)
You're right Donna, the key thing is keeping them in wraps....Some people think that our show dogs aren't allowed to do anything, but not true.....
Yuppers, I have to re-wrap him about every two days and bathe him ever 4 days and back in oil and fresh wraps! But he's allowed to do anything my pets are allowed to do LOL...it's funny, you'd freak out if you saw him in hotel rooms when there are two double beds in the room he's jumping from one bed to the next and it's so funny to see Linda's and other's gasp when he does it LOL! He should be in agility lol

Mardelin 07-27-2009 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727791)
Also a silk coat is cool to the touch and a soft, or cotton coat is warm to the touch. I never actually believed that but it's true! Radar's coat is very cool to the touch and Brookie's is warm to the touch and her coat does NOT reflect the light
I have one soft coated yorkie in the bunch. Anniversary, I did grow her to full coat...but, what a pain. I ended up cutting her topknot first, after I came home from a show weekend and hubby handn't combed it out. It was a rats nest.....Then one day I just decided to cut her down....she hid for 2 days, now she loves it.

nanahas3 07-27-2009 06:05 PM
Sorry if I am being a pain but one more question please. Are all these things true of their puppy coat or only after they come into full coat as adults? Laddy as I said before is 9 months old. Thanks.

Brooklynn 07-27-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2727811)
Sorry if I am being a pain but one more question please. Are all these things true of their puppy coat or only after they come into full coat as adults? Laddy as I said before is 9 months old. Thanks.
usually if the hair on the legs of a puppy is thin and sparse and not thick and full it's usually a silk coat but as to color that's a whole different ball game LOL...you can usually tell on a 9 month old puppy if it will be silk or soft or cotton coated

Donna

nanahas3 07-27-2009 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727814)
usually if the hair on the legs of a puppy is thin and sparse and not thick and full it's usually a silk coat but as to color that's a whole different ball game LOL...you can usually tell on a 9 month old puppy if it will be silk or soft or cotton coated

Donna
Sorry I didnt make that question very clear. I meant will they reflect light and be cool to the touch at 9 months.

Mardelin 07-27-2009 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2727817)
Sorry I didnt make that question very clear. I meant will they reflect light and be cool to the touch at 9 months.
It should, take a look at the part line. The new growth should be shiney.

Brooklynn 07-27-2009 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2727817)
Sorry I didnt make that question very clear. I meant will they reflect light and be cool to the touch at 9 months.
yup it should be cool to the touch and reflect light :)

Mardelin 07-27-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2727820)
yup it should be cool to the touch and reflect light :)
I don't know what your experience has been, but even with newborn pups you can feel the difference.

Brooklynn 07-27-2009 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2727822)
I don't know what your experience has been, but even with newborn pups you can feel the difference.
oh geez, I haven't had a litter in two years I can't remember LOL...I've never had a litter of cotton coats, all mine have been silk coated or a modified coat but I couldn't tell ya since it's been awhile since I've had a litter lol

Donna


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