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spina 05-22-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2633684)
If Mia came from Oklahoma, she very likely came from one of the many puppy mills in that state.

Have you checked the USDA "puppymill" list for her breeder's name?

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/webs...ists/lista.pdf

I checked the USDA puppy mills.Thanks for the link that really helped. The name of the breeder was no there. Although on the Registration papers, I have a USDA #. What does that mean?:confused:

Ladymom 05-22-2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2633710)
Now I'm confused too. I thought the YTCA DID state that 4-7 pounds is preferred, though the standard is 7 lbs and under.
This is taken directly from the YTCA website:

Weight

Must not exceed seven pounds.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

Maybe you are thinking of the Maltese standard? It states:

Size - Weight under 7 pounds, with from 4 to 6 pounds preferred. Overall quality is to be favored over size.

American Maltese Association

QuickSilver 05-22-2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2633739)
This is taken directly from the YTCA website:

Weight

Must not exceed seven pounds.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

Maybe you are thinking of the Maltese standard? It states:

Size - Weight under 7 pounds, with from 4 to 6 pounds preferred. Overall quality is to be favored over size.

American Maltese Association
I am positive it was about yorkies. I've seen it repeatedly on this site. Maybe it's in the breeder ethics?

Again, I know the standard states 7 lbs and under, but I could have sworn that 4-7 was stated as preferred somewhere.

Nancy1999 05-22-2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2633770)
I am positive it was about yorkies. I've seen it repeatedly on this site. Maybe it's in the breeder ethics?

Again, I know the standard states 7 lbs and under, but I could have sworn that 4-7 was stated as preferred somewhere.
Maybe you've read it in the Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Post 2.
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The Yorkshire Terrier standard as defined by the American Kennel Club (AKC) is between 4 to 7 pounds. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...tions-faq.html

yorkiepuppie 05-22-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2634053)
Maybe you've read it in the Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Post 2.
so yorkietalk FAQ answer is incorrect right? because according to the AKC website, there is no lower limit for a standard yorkie.

Nancy1999 05-22-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2634070)
so yorkietalk FAQ answer is incorrect right? because according to the AKC website, there is no lower limit for a standard yorkie.
The YTCA gives the AKC the standard, and their words are "must not exceed 7 pounds", I think Yorkietalk uses the same words that are found on the AKC website. However, if you look further besides just reading the standard on the YTCA website, it says.
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Many breeders prefer a general weight range of 4-7 four pounds believing that size retains desired Toy qualities while maintaining optimum health. The Yorkie Standard states weight "must not exceed seven pounds" and as a prospective pet owner you should realize that even at 7 pounds, the Yorkie is still a small dog. (Females weighing less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.) Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)
The reason smaller dogs aren't seen in the show ring is not because they aren't standard, but the goal of the show ring, is producing a dog that will be a good breeder. That is also why dogs who are neutered are not shown, they may be perfect examples of the breed, but what's the point?

yorkiepuppie 05-22-2009 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2634124)
The YTCA gives the AKC the standard, and their words are "must not exceed 7 pounds", I think Yorkietalk uses the same words that are found on the AKC website. However, if you look further besides just reading the standard on the YTCA website, it says.


The reason smaller dogs aren't seen in the show ring is not because they aren't standard, but the goal of the show ring, is producing a dog that will be a good breeder. That is also why dogs who are neutered are not shown, they may be perfect examples of the breed, but what's the point?
i see. that makes a lot of sense. for some reason i didn't think about showing dogs only for people interested in breeding their dogs. i just thought of it like a competition for dog lovers. but it makes sense that only breeding dogs need to be in the show ring.

dogbert 05-22-2009 07:19 PM
My rescue was a breeder dog she was 7 pounds when we got her. She's bit spoiled now and spayed, as of yesterday she weighed 9.8 pounds at the vet. She must of weaned her last litter of pups not long before we got her, she was bony at 7 pounds and still was drying up.

Ladymom 05-22-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spina (Post 2633726)
I checked the USDA puppy mills.Thanks for the link that really helped. The name of the breeder was no there. Although on the Registration papers, I have a USDA #. What does that mean?:confused:
That means she came from a USDA licensed commercial kennel, what we call "puppy mills".

If the breeder has a USDA number, she is on the list somewhere.

QuickSilver 05-22-2009 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2634152)
That means she came from a USDA licensed commercial kennel, what we call "puppy mills".

If the breeder has a USDA number, she is on the list somewhere.

I know we're starting to get off track here... but I'm wondering, are ALL commercial kennels genuine puppy mills? I would think they would not be as good as a small breeder, but surely some of them must have reasonable standards. ?

Ladymom 05-22-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2634156)
I know we're starting to get off track here... but I'm wondering, are ALL commercial kennels genuine puppy mills? I would think they would not be as good as a small breeder, but surely some of them must have reasonable standards. ?
A puppy mill is the term used to describe large volume commercial kennels, puppy factories, who produce puppies for the retail pet market. They are regulated by the USDA which has minimum care standards these facilities must follow set by the Animal Welfare Act. Some follow the standards, many don't so conditions vary, but they all have one thing in common. Puppies are raised like livestock and receive little human contact and socialization.

Here is more information about the USDA and commercial kennels:

Puppymills - Information about puppy mills and how to shut them down.

nanahas3 05-22-2009 10:08 PM
Am I wrong I was under the impression that in some states anyone who sells puppies to the public had to be licensed through the usda Missouri being one. I may have misunderstood what I read though so please correct me if I am wrong.:p

westieboy 05-23-2009 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2633770)
I am positive it was about yorkies. I've seen it repeatedly on this site. Maybe it's in the breeder ethics?

Again, I know the standard states 7 lbs and under, but I could have sworn that 4-7 was stated as preferred somewhere.

I found this on the YTCA website. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

4-7 is the preferred range and breeders only should breed 5 lbs and over bitches.

Gingergirlsmom 05-23-2009 05:21 AM
What an interesting thread.

OP, I hope you are getting the answers to your questions. One comment I'd like to make. Someone here stated that you may want to consider a larger than standard yorkie since your Westie is 20 lbs. While I love the bigger yorkies (I have two who are around 13 lbs), I would suggest you look instead for a reputable breeder who produces quality pups.

My shihtzu was 5-6 lbs her whole life and my schnauzer was around 20. They got along VERY well and I never worried for her with him.

Ladymom 05-23-2009 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2634294)
Am I wrong I was under the impression that in some states anyone who sells puppies to the public had to be licensed through the usda Missouri being one. I may have misunderstood what I read though so please correct me if I am wrong.:p
Large volume breeders who sell their puppies wholesale, not retail, have to be licensed by the USDA. Missouri has more of these facilities than any other state so it has been nicknamed the Puppy Mill Capital of the US.

Large scale breeders who sell puppies directly to the consumer don't have to be licensed by the USDA. They are usually regulated by state laws.


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