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HillbillyBelle 11-22-2008 02:26 AM
Apple-Head Yorkies??
 
:confused:I read a web site and the Yorkie breeder is describing her puppies and adults as cute little Apple Heads. I have not been participating in YT for a while so I might be out of touch. Have y'all heard of this description? Is it a good or bad thing or just a come-on?

Lucia 11-22-2008 02:43 AM
I've never heard that term before either! maybe it's a marketing ploy, such as 'teacup' to sell puppies for hugely inflated prices to the uneducated:confused: xxx

Yorkieluv 11-22-2008 03:15 AM
Honestly, I have never heard that term, but I would venture to say that no reputable breeder would classify their yorkies as "apple-heads".
It's either a marketing ploy or the other thing that comes to mind is dogs with dome-shaped heads which is not a good thing..Hydrocephalus comes to mind...

SMApup 11-22-2008 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HillbillyBelle (Post 2343012)
:confused:I read a web site and the Yorkie breeder is describing her puppies and adults as cute little Apple Heads. I have not been participating in YT for a while so I might be out of touch. Have y'all heard of this description? Is it a good or bad thing or just a come-on?
The term apple head is used to describe a puppy/dog with a very compact round head. I find that people use this term to draw people in to buy their pups. It's just like using terms like baby doll face in the horse world... or munchkin in cats... or using teacup in toy dog world. Sometimes these animals have problems and sometimes they don't but it is not worth the risk.

--Trevor

Sugar's Mom 11-22-2008 06:00 AM
many breeders use this term to describe their puppies and they breed for 'appleheads". If I have ever even seen one, I don't know it. I also think it is a marketing ploy.

Suzy 11-22-2008 06:08 AM
I have heard that term when describing chihuahuas...but never yorkies...?

C C Kent 11-22-2008 06:18 AM
I have seen several people advertising with this term. From what I have seen of the puppies they sell it means they have bred away, intentionally or by accident, from a proper head and are trying to make it sound attractive or preferable.

I have a Miniature Pinscher that bites when you try to pick him up. I like to call him independent.

bjh 11-22-2008 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by HillbillyBelle (Post 2343012)
:confused:I read a web site and the Yorkie breeder is describing her puppies and adults as cute little Apple Heads. I have not been participating in YT for a while so I might be out of touch. Have y'all heard of this description? Is it a good or bad thing or just a come-on?
I would consider it a bad thing since an apple head is an undesirable trait for a show yorkie and it would be considered a fault. Many breeders just do not breed to standard and they just breed for what they think is cute and what will sell. Just like some people want a short legged yorkie, a short muzzled yorkie or a black yorkie, these are undesirable traits for show dogs but some people just like those traits whether they are correct or not. I certainly don't breed for those traits but sometimes they happen.

BamaFan121s 11-23-2008 04:11 PM
Anytime you have a breeder who is purposely trying to produce pups with a cranial structure other than what is standard for the breed, you are playing with fire, IMO. Be it apple-headed, or the 'baby doll faced' yorkies you hear about. Not a good thing.

Ladyhawk 11-23-2008 04:29 PM
Be careful, alot of times the rounder head is associated with an open fontanel.

diggy4 11-24-2008 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2345395)
Be careful, alot of times the rounder head is associated with an open fontanel.
I was thinking the same thing.

TresCutePiggies 11-24-2008 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzy (Post 2343110)
I have heard that term when describing chihuahuas...but never yorkies...?

Same here.

Bhikku 11-24-2008 10:25 AM
I would not buy an "apple-head" Yorkshire Terrier...it's a term I'd associate with chihuahua pushers/mill breeders...and if the breeder in question also raises chihuahuas, I would be even more cautious.

Any time I see a breeder who raises more than one kind of dog at a time, my puppy mill senses tingle...

Sookie 11-25-2008 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzy (Post 2343110)
I have heard that term when describing chihuahuas...but never yorkies...?

Yes, me too! I had three Chihuahuas and they do have heads that are sort of apple shaped. I don't know if it is a marketing ploy or not, but you will see it often to describe the Chihuahua. I have never heard it used for a Yorkie.

Ladyhawk 11-25-2008 05:13 AM
Chi's are suppose to have big round foreheads, yorkies are not!! Basically it's just a poorly bred yorkie.

BamaFan121s 11-25-2008 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2347933)
Chi's are suppose to have big round foreheads, yorkies are not!! Basically it's just a poorly bred yorkie.
What!? You mean adding a cute, descriptive name doesn't make it something rare and unique? :p I'm shocked.

Just kidding...I'm holding out for a teacup, apple-headed, teddy bear, parti Yorkie myself.

littlewhip 11-25-2008 05:42 AM
Interesting ..never heard of that one :rolleyes:

Celilo 09-14-2010 08:23 PM
Important re. applehead in Yorkies
 


In a pure bred Yorkie having an "applehead" shaped skull is seen as a defect. Ideally, a Yorkie's head has a certain flatness or levelness to it (unlike cockers or poodles rounder skulls), an applehead will quickly disqualify a dog as one to reproduce or show. It is considered inferior and possibly an indicator of lower intelligence (I have NO idea if this last is true).

Any way, I'd stay away from anything that said "applehead". My thoughts would be:

* poor breeding, possibly exessive inbreeding;

* ignorant breeder and I don't want those dogs;

* silly, casual breeder who simply doesn't 'get it'; too busy being cute or pushing sales ---- again, not interested.

I have a wonderful Yorkie as a pet who is also a service dog (anosmia); he happens to have his AKC papers which I've never bothered to send in as he will not reproduce and is fixed. But I still wanted to learn about the breed and am very glad I have a Yorkie.

Sookie 09-15-2010 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzy (Post 2343110)
I have heard that term when describing chihuahuas...but never yorkies...?
Ditto that!!

Darlene68 09-15-2010 07:06 AM
I heard this to describe Chihuahua's, but not Yorkies!:rolleyes:

cally930 09-15-2010 08:23 AM
I have heard this before. A lot of the breeders that breed the tinies use this term, as well as the baby doll term. To be totally honest, I do not know what that means. Does anyone have a picture (need not be yours) of an "apple headed" yorkie and then side by side an AKC standard of a correct yorkie's head - for comparison. Just curious.

Lorraine 09-15-2010 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2345395)
Be careful, alot of times the rounder head is associated with an open fontanel.
Yes and often with that can be hydrcephalic. The brain contains fluid filled chambers. In hydrocephalus, those chambers have way too much fluid. The fontanel may never close. the excess fluid can cause pressure on the brain and early death often results. Also often you will see eyes a little more wide set.
Yes they look cute perhaps but they have a very big problem that can be terminal way sooner than you think.

JeanieK 09-15-2010 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Celilo (Post 3271062)

In a pure bred Yorkie having an "applehead" shaped skull is seen as a defect. Ideally, a Yorkie's head has a certain flatness or levelness to it (unlike cockers or poodles rounder skulls), an applehead will quickly disqualify a dog as one to reproduce or show. It is considered inferior and possibly an indicator of lower intelligence (I have NO idea if this last is true).

Any way, I'd stay away from anything that said "applehead". My thoughts would be:

* poor breeding, possibly exessive inbreeding;

* ignorant breeder and I don't want those dogs;

* silly, casual breeder who simply doesn't 'get it'; too busy being cute or pushing sales ---- again, not interested.

I have a wonderful Yorkie as a pet who is also a service dog (anosmia); he happens to have his AKC papers which I've never bothered to send in as he will not reproduce and is fixed. But I still wanted to learn about the breed and am very glad I have a Yorkie.
Welcome to YT.

BamaFan121s 09-15-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 3271367)
Yes and often with that can be hydrcephalic. The brain contains fluid filled chambers. In hydrocephalus, those chambers have way too much fluid. The fontanel may never close. the excess fluid can cause pressure on the brain and early death often results. Also often you will see eyes a little more wide set.
Yes they look cute perhaps but they have a very big problem that can be terminal way sooner than you think.
Very good points! I have also seen, even just on here, many people that have more problems with the dog's eyes when they are wider set and more protruding...problems with infections and ulcers. (Again, also issues more commonly associated with brachiocephalic breeds.) Not to mention the with the rounder heads are going to present more problems and higher risks of c-sections when they are passing though the birth canal.


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