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MindieRose 10-09-2008 04:26 PM
Pregnant without tying?
 
I know its a stretch, but is it possible for Lola to be pregnant, even though they haven't tied? He has penetrated, and slipped out, but he was ejaculating when he has slipped out a couple of times now. I am just trying to find a thread of hope here!

tjdmom 10-09-2008 04:48 PM
I know someone on here posted they had a litter with an outside tie. I hope they post.....

tjdmom 10-09-2008 04:50 PM
Here's the thread it's mentioned in...
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...nable-tie.html

jeanietoo 10-09-2008 04:50 PM
Yes, of course it's possible and often happens but I always held the male so he could not slip out.

gloriajean 10-12-2008 06:33 PM
me too
 
my first liter (4 puppies) was an not a tie, so it can happen. good luck.

MindieRose 10-12-2008 06:34 PM
I wish they sold Dog EPTs at the store! ;)

Mardelin 10-12-2008 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2279874)
I wish they sold Dog EPTs at the store! ;)
Yes, it's possible.....Is this their first breeding?

cesar49 10-12-2008 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2279874)
I wish they sold Dog EPTs at the store! ;)
it is torture not knowing cuz you assume they are... and then weeks later
you still dont know.. but feed her like she is...:)
epts would be great...:)

MindieRose 10-13-2008 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2279918)
Yes, it's possible.....Is this their first breeding?
Yes it is. Not his, but hers. She has only come into heat once before this, a year ago, and would growl at him for looking at her funny. I think I will consider couples counseling if this doesn't work ;)

Mardelin 10-13-2008 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2280130)
Yes it is. Not his, but hers. She has only come into heat once before this, a year ago, and would growl at him for looking at her funny. I think I will consider couples counseling if this doesn't work ;)
That's not what I meant. I meant during this heat cycle?
In order to prevent the possibility of not tying. The breeding requires assistance during the whole process. Someone holding and guiding the male and someone holding the female so that she doesn't get rough and hurt him.....especially with a virgin female.....girls can get pretty mean during the process and drag the boy around and injuring him seriously and renduring him unable to stud again.

zoesmybaby 10-13-2008 10:44 AM
pregnant?
 
i have a yorkie who will soon be 1 yr, in dec. her name is zoe. she is only 3 maybe a lil over 3 lbs. she has just had her first heat. i also have a pomchi. he is about 5. we have tried keeping them apart and are having the pomchi fixed. but there have been two times where he has mounted her. we have interrupted of course. but i am afraid thats not good enough. we have our pomchi outside now but if my yorkie is pregnant, is this dangerous for her? she is so small. our pomchi is 12 to 15 lbs if anyone has any input i would appreciate it very much.

MindieRose 10-13-2008 12:12 PM
Yes, that is dangerous. With her size, that could be dangerous no matter what she was bred to.

zoesmybaby 10-13-2008 01:19 PM
:( does anyone have any suggestions on what we can do?

Mardelin 10-13-2008 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by zoesmybaby (Post 2280889)
:( does anyone have any suggestions on what we can do?
Yes, you can have the pregnacy terminated and her spayed at the same time.

sashazx75 04-19-2010 11:40 AM
hi i tried breeding my yorkie for the first time she's 3 he's 15months the first time for both..they've done it quite a few times but never locked i'm taking her to another breeder tomorrow and have to pay stud services could she be pregnate without tying cause he was on her a long time but i think before he was about to tie she moved away..and do i have to bring her back to this new breeder twice if he locks with her tomorrow thanks...shirlee

sashazx75 04-19-2010 11:44 AM
breeding
 
hi tried breeding my yorkie today she's 3 he's 15months the first time for both he tried several times but when he was about to tie she moved could she be pregnant without tying cause i'm breeding her with another stud tomorrow and have to pay this person stud fee the other 1 wanted pick of the litter and do i have to bring her back a second time if they tie tomorrow thanks sashazx75

tjdmom 04-19-2010 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sashazx75 (Post 3092193)
hi i tried breeding my yorkie for the first time she's 3 he's 15months the first time for both..they've done it quite a few times but never locked i'm taking her to another breeder tomorrow and have to pay stud services could she be pregnate without tying cause he was on her a long time but i think before he was about to tie she moved away..and do i have to bring her back to this new breeder twice if he locks with her tomorrow thanks...shirlee
Yes, she could be pregnant even though there has not been a tie. I would assume that if you used another stud you will need to DNA test your litter. Maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong....

Mardelin 04-19-2010 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sashazx75 (Post 3092197)
hi tried breeding my yorkie today she's 3 he's 15months the first time for both he tried several times but when he was about to tie she moved could she be pregnant without tying cause i'm breeding her with another stud tomorrow and have to pay this person stud fee the other 1 wanted pick of the litter and do i have to bring her back a second time if they tie tomorrow thanks sashazx75
One has to understand the mechanics of canine breeding. The female actually initiates the tie. Constricting her muscles. If a male completes penetration (hits the mark) and ejaculates (and the first initial ejaculation is what is needed to impregnate) a tie is unnecessary. Placing her with another stud, will definately complicate matters. What if the first stud did ejaculate and impregnate your female. You bring in another stud and he accomplishes the whole process. Your female can concieve from both dogs. Therefore, you will have to have the pups and the both studs DNA'd to identify which sire they belong too. An expensive endevor. Not the best way to accomplish a breeding.

sashazx75 04-19-2010 12:26 PM
breeding
 
thankyou to the 2 that applied to my question on whether my yorkie could be pregnant without tying cause he did he several times..and i'm taking her to a new stud tomorrow..i phoned my vet and he said it's unlikely that she got pregnant without tying i know some of you'se said they had puppies without tying...and i know 2 dogs can get her pregnate..but the puppies are being sold unregistered cause the males were reg my female isn't and i'm just doing this to keep 1 so unless i see them lock i'm going to assume the stud is the 1 doing the locking..thanks love the imput

Mardelin 04-19-2010 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sashazx75 (Post 3092255)
thankyou to the 2 that applied to my question on whether my yorkie could be pregnant without tying cause he did he several times..and i'm taking her to a new stud tomorrow..i phoned my vet and he said it's unlikely that she got pregnant without tying i know some of you'se said they had puppies without tying...and i know 2 dogs can get her pregnate..but the puppies are being sold unregistered cause the males were reg my female isn't and i'm just doing this to keep 1 so unless i see them lock i'm going to assume the stud is the 1 doing the locking..thanks love the imput
The fact that you are selling them unregistered is good. But, it is unfair to the original stud owner. She has requested pick of the litter. You will still have to have the pups DNA'd to identify correct sires. It is the ethical thing to do, in the name of both stud owners.

Elle 04-19-2010 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2276166)
I know its a stretch, but is it possible for Lola to be pregnant, even though they haven't tied? He has penetrated, and slipped out, but he was ejaculating when he has slipped out a couple of times now. I am just trying to find a thread of hope here!

Yes it is possible.

mommadog1 04-20-2010 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sashazx75 (Post 3092197)
hi tried breeding my yorkie today she's 3 he's 15months the first time for both he tried several times but when he was about to tie she moved could she be pregnant without tying cause i'm breeding her with another stud tomorrow and have to pay this person stud fee the other 1 wanted pick of the litter and do i have to bring her back a second time if they tie tomorrow thanks sashazx75
Possible but not likely... Since she wasn't actually standing for him.. Why use another dog though and not just your own male?

mommadog1 04-20-2010 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3092295)
The fact that you are selling them unregistered is good. But, it is unfair to the original stud owner. She has requested pick of the litter. You will still have to have the pups DNA'd to identify correct sires. It is the ethical thing to do, in the name of both stud owners.
But does it really matter? Maybe the breeder wont care. The female isn't a registered dog anyhow.

She should tell the stud owner for sure..

Elle 04-20-2010 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sashazx75 (Post 3092255)
thankyou to the 2 that applied to my question on whether my yorkie could be pregnant without tying cause he did he several times..and i'm taking her to a new stud tomorrow..i phoned my vet and he said it's unlikely that she got pregnant without tying i know some of you'se said they had puppies without tying...and i know 2 dogs can get her pregnate..but the puppies are being sold unregistered cause the males were reg my female isn't and i'm just doing this to keep 1 so unless i see them lock i'm going to assume the stud is the 1 doing the locking..thanks love the imput


This is called an outside tie.


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