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i agree it would be a bad idea for an 11 or 12 year old to get pregnant but if it did and im sure it happens more than we think. if it did happen would you demand that she have an abortion and then have her go under the knife to make sure she didnt ever have children again? or would you let it happen and let the family learn from their mistakes? just a thought... |
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If I had a 9 month old bitch that got pregnant (which in my house would be next to a miracle because my intact boys and intact girls are always separated when unattended, even when the girls are not in season) I would think long and hard about what value I expected her to add to my breeding "program" in the future and whether or not I should sacrifice what she could add versus whether it is fair to require a puppy to whelp puppies and raise puppies. It would have to be a pretty darn important bitch genetically speaking for me to sacrifice the well being of my individual dog over that of the "program" as a whole as I am still in the mentality of caring for my dogs as individuals over the success of the "program." All of my girls eventually "go under the knife" and are spayed at some point anyway, which ends their ability to reproduce, I don't consider dogs to have a moral right or emotional need to breed. The question for my girls is whether it is done sooner rather than later... |
im just saying whats done is done and it probably wasnt done but my purpose for coming on here and looking for "expert" (i use that word loosely) advise on what to do for her and the pups if there are pups. im not looking to get her spayed and im not looking to get her a shot to abort any pups either. if she is having babies they deserve life as much as your dogs or my dogs and i know they will not end up in shelter or anywhere else like that. i agree she is very young to be having pups but there was no way we could keep my dogs apart sure physically we could have been better and separating them but they depend on each other they are best friends and i couldnt do that to them. im no breeder that has 14 bitches that just pop babies out i have 2 dogs and that is it so i understand how you can bring yourself to keep yours separated they probably only see each other when its time to make babies. mine are complete opposite of that they are always together they groom each other they protect each other and they hate being apart. i have separated them before and they both get very depressed and do nothing but sleep no eating or playing nothing just sleep. so after 3 days of observing our male not even get close to being big enough to breed we made the decision (which wasnt the wisest) to let them just play and be happy. im sorry you dont agree with what "maybe" happened i dont even agree with it but i am willing to accept it because i am not a puppy mill or anything like that. life is full of mistakes and all we can do is learn from them. |
ok...im probably sticking my foot in my mouth but here goes.... 1. yes this would be a mixed litter....in her initial comment she stated that the female is a yorkie/poo and the male is a yorkie (by the way i think if there was a litter out of these 2 they would be absolutely gorgeous) 2....Spay/Neuter...if all dogs were spayed/neutered as some continually advise in post after post...then the yorkie population would die...you have to breed to get pups. 3. what is done(if it took) is done...and all she needs to hear now is that she is doing the best for her female as she can. 4...no breeder started out as an experienced breeder...we all start somewhere. 5...this is to you(original poster)....find a mentor (if and when she is preg)....and try to get one that is very confident in their experience....question everything...it doesnt make you sound stupid...actually it makes you sound very intelligent...intelligent people question everything...it is how they learn....good luck sweetie....and NO im not a breeder yet...still getting info....God Bless |
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My dogs most certainly see each other other than when it is time to be bred. Bitches in season (and due to the dormitory effect most of my bitches come in within a few weeks of each other) are kept apart from intact males 100% of the time, whether I am around or not. When the bitches are not in season they are, when I am there to supervise, out and about along with everyone else, intact or not. I train my dogs for conformation, agility and obedience and whoever is in training comes out with me at the same time to practice, they travel together in a motorhome, and when I am not home they are crated in the same room together. I think you are making some assumptions about people who have experience breeding dogs that are not necessarily true and if you are implicating that for me breeding dogs is some kind of a business (I don't have 14 bitches that pop puppies out, I have 3 intact bitches of my own-- none of which has had a litter yet and one of which will never be bred--my litters have all been co-breedings with my mentor) you could not be more off base. Regardless, you are right, what is done is done, and since you obviously do not want to spay your girl I hope that she and the puppies are healthy. It is highly likely that she is having a false heat anyway. If that is the case, I hope you are better able to keep the two dogs separate on future heat cycles if you leave them both intact. If you are not able to keep them separated during heat cycles she very well may end up pregnant on every cycle. |
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my comment about the mixed breeds was just a statement...not rehassing....i for one dont have a problem with mixed breeding if that is what the owner wants to do so be it...they are her dogs arent they? and on the spay/nueter comment...i have read many many posts and seems nearly everytime some one has an "accidental" breeding the first thing that pops out of someone's "mouth" is to spay/nueter as soon as possible... (go back and read some of your own posts in other threads)...i did |
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Bilbao.....good luck to you...im always available if you want to chat...i read up alot and if i can ansewer any question i will try.....i always back up my answer with where i found it...so if i say it is a fact it is provable...if i state an opinion i say it upfront...that it is only an opinion....what a great nation we live in that we can speak our minds and not be arrested or even worse killed just for our opinions....God's Speed to all |
Misty, there's honestly no point in coming back here time and time again and responding to the "opinions" of others. I've still been reading the thread but have tried my hardest to not respond due to the "pouting" I have seen in several posts after the fact. We gave our opinions, it's not our fault those who choose to disagree with it want to do it in such a manner as they have. If the OP wanted "expert advice" as she stated in a few replies up, she should have seen her vet instead of a forum where people are very concerned about animals and inexperienced breeding (someone who has NO idea what they're doing) in general. Also, if people want to consider it as "bashing" then let them, whatever floats their boat. The OP was responded to in the nicest way possible when disagreeing and you honestly can't help how people are going to take things. I, for one, am not going to feel sorry for it - I guess that just makes me a meanie head, oh well. :rolleyes::p To the OP, I'd say if you were going to get the advice you want to hear, you would've gotten it by now if someone wanted to tell it. Maybe you should get in touch with your vet to better see how you should handle this matter. Have a great day! ;):) |
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There is a good chance that your girl isn't pregnant with them both being so young. If she is pregnant then she should be showing around her 6th to 7th week. At 55 days if you feel she is pregnant, take her into the vet for an xray. This will tell if she is pregnant, how many puppies she may have and whether they are a good size for her to pass naturally. In the mean time you should be reading up on the whelping process so you are prepared. You should also see if you can find someone around you who is experienced to help you and can be there with you during the delivery to guide you. You also need to make sure you have all the whelping supplies on hand before the due date. Here is a great site with lots of information on the whole process. Canine Reproduction Video and Book on Breeding and Whelping dogs by Debbie Jensen for dog breeders and Whelping Supplies needed to deliver puppies. Good luck!!:animal-pa |
In the event that your girl does have a litter, how do you think they will act when they are separated then? Just something to plan for in advance. are you referring to separation of the mom and pups or mom and dad? if mom and pups that is just something we will have to deal with and if it is dad and pups i am not going to keep my male away unless he gives me a good reason to. he is much less aggressive than my female. honestly i was surprised to see him even trying to breed i figured he thought he was a girl due to his lack of acting like a man rather than a woman. i figured he was confused with who he was. no but seriously he is so gentle and loving he constantly is grooming my female watching out for her. its quite cute really. |
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I hope you are lucky and get no puppies this time, since she is still a puppy. After she becomes a mommy there is a good chance she will also become another, adult dog and not the funny puppy you had before. Ofcourse still the sweet dog, but suddenly adult. Better wait till she is full grown and ready ;) |
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Ya know that the breed wouldn't die out....it would just be soooooo expensive that NO one (that is none of us normal folk) would be able to bless our lives with one. If is was only the show breeders that bred :eek::eek:there would be a supply and demand issue. Definetly find a mentor and/or read all you can read NOW and then read it again. I have a folder in my documents that is all about breeding and whelping and pups and males and females....all easy quick references! And the only stupid question is the one you do not ask....Besides you will get lots of answers to the same question. NEVER take one persons word as the gospel. Listen to what all the responses are and make your own educated decision. Good luck to you and whatever life brings you!:p |
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I think you got plenty of advice so far |
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Be sure to have a good relationship with your vet. Talk to him/her now so they are aware of the fact that your girl may be pregnant. Let him check her out, not sure how far along she may be. But I would seek your vets help now so you can be best prepared if she is pregnant. He will check her pelvic bones to see how wide/narrow she is and if she is pregnant he can do xrays which will help to measure the skull to the pelvic area to see if it appears she may be able to have them naturally or by CSection. I wait until the week the pups are due to have an Xray. Best of luck to you and your girl. I am not going to get into any of the other discussion. Again Best of luck Deana Prestigeous Yorkies |
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LOL - I can't believe this post is still getting replies downing people's advice. Gotta love it! Hope everything is going well with the OP & her dogs. :D |
Well I think somehow all answers were relevant, I don’t see any off topic matters, and rules also state that “If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way” and I think everyone has been pretty civil here, honest and civil, you can't expect people to restrain from being honest and i don't see any rudeness, just, honestly Once again, i think plenty of good advice has been given already :) |
Please don't take this as "bashing" or whatever... but for the future... you say your dogs get sad when separated, which I understand, but what are you going to do each time she goes in heat? You can't have 3, 4, 5+ litters just because your dogs get upset. Something has to be done. I recommend that AFTER she has this litter, if she's pregnant, that she get spayed, or the male get neutered, or both. Have these dogs even been tested for genetic disorders/diseases since you were thinking of breeding? If she is pregnant, please find a mentor in the area for emergencies and get all necessary supplies. I would also probably find a way to separate dad and mom after the pups are born because you don't know how either of them are going to react and you don't want the pups or anyone to get hurt/killed. Also, one more thought to ponder... you said there is only one vet within four hours... what are you going to do if there are major complications and your baby needs a c-section. The mother and/or pups could very easily die and especially because she is so young. Please just think about this. I'm in no way bashing or telling you want to do... I'm just concerned for the safety of your girl and the potential babies. Good luck and keep us updated! |
I would like to suggest that the OP read this thred http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ad-client.html It CAN and DOES happen!! My gosh hon, your girl is still a baby. Yes, maybe she will be fine having them.. just like a pro.. and maybe not one of the bad things will happen. But you have to be educated about what can and very often does happen. If you think some people are just being mean.. you really should go back over this and read it again. We all CARE.. I mean we REALLY care about this breed. My heart hurts right now to think of a 9 month old pregnant yorkie baby. It is NOT easy. I have personally lost a litter before and I have personally had my female go thru a c-section. I mean, what is done is done.. and before you make a decision on what to do, please speak with your vet and honestly listen to his HONEST opinion on whether she can have them. If he advises against it, please open your heart to swallow your pride and do the right thing for her. If he says she will be okay.. then please follow the advise you have been given here and learn everything you can. I wish you the best of luck. PS.. Please hon.,... do NOT let your boy make the decision on whether he will be around her babies. They may be best of friends right know and loving each other so much, and depressed when apart.. but I can tell you right now.. it is RARE for a nursing mother to tolerate ANY other dog anywhere near her babies. That is pure irresponsibility to allow him in the same room with her with new puppies. It is NOT him that will hurt her or them. It is the MOM.,. she could very well kill him. It HAs HAPPENED AND does HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN YOU WOULD BELIEVE. gOOD LUCK |
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