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2 studs and a bitch... I have a stud over for a bitch that's been in heat and all of the sudden the stud i own decides he wants her. They tied 2 times today. So the stud i am borrowing may or maynot have tied with her overnight. Now this is my question. Since i only wittnessed the tie between the stud that i own do i use him as the sire with AKC? Another question: I was really hoping to get some pups out of the borrowed stud. Can i keep him with my bitch for a couple of days and keep trying. I know, i seem confused. But i have never had two males in the same home before. This has never happened. my stud has showed zero want for the bitch in heat so i called for help with a stud. now all of the sudden he wanted her after the stud arrived. figures. see my male has been devoted to the same female (not the bitch in heat right now she is new) for years. |
Since ther is no possible way with the exception of expensive DNA tests when the pups are born, you will never know who the daddy is. I wouldnt even bother to register them as what stud would you put down as being the father? I would just chalk it up to a learning experience and use the borrowed stud next time. |
I'm bumping this for you. Good luck! |
well since i only wittnessed my male with the bitch i will use him and send the other stud packing today. i have seperated them all and will see in a couple of months. |
Apparently you are not concerned about accuracy in your records? I would NEVER purchase a dog from a breeder who left her in season bitch alone with two different intact male dogs, letting them breed at will basically. Either don't register the litter or send off for the DNA swab kits and go that route, otherwise you may very well be selling dogs with improper registration. Since you left her alone with an intact dog all night just because you did not *witness* any breedings, you left open a huge possibility that they occurred. :eek: Why did you let your male tie with her twice in one day anyway? There is no reason to let them tie multiple times in a single day. |
You have to assume that both studs *could* have tied with the female, regardless to if you witnessed it or not. There should be no question as to if she and the borrowed stud tied--they should have never been left together unsupervised, for more reasons that one. But, hindsight is 20/20, or so they say. :) All of the pups will have to be DNA'd to determine which pup goes with which daddy. To make sure that their registration and your records are correct, to be able to present the new owners with the accurate information at IF the borrowed stud did sire any of the litter, to fulfil whatever end of the arrangement that was made with his owner. Just chaulk this up as a lesson learned so that you know how to prevent this type situation in the future. |
i have to ask why they weren't separated before now/ i am not going to say anymore than agree with what the others have said. AKC will pull the registration on both the studs and the mamaa when this comes to light and believe me, it will. when you sell puppies, it may be two or three years until these puppies are bred and someone turns the papers in and they realize the dna doesn't match. Then what a mess you will be in. |
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Just because your male wasn't interested doesn't mean that he wouldn't be later on. Live and learn from your mistake. You need to either DNA every pup born or just not register this litter. If you decide to not heed the advice of the people here, then I wouldn't advertise them here...EVER. Memories of this thread will last a long time. |
You've been very irresponsible as a breeder up until this point. It is important that you do the responsible thing now. If any of the pups have health problems down the road it will be important to be able to correctly identify the sire of the puppy. If I were you I'd see if I can find a mentor before these pups are born. Sounds like there is homework to be done here. |
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You DO NOT want to register these puppies unless you DNA both studs, the dam, and each of the puppies and let AKC let you know which puppy goes with which sire. This will cost you a minimum of $105 for the parents then $35 per puppy if you "prepay" for your DNA kits. They are $40 each if you do not prepay. I have actually known of some show breeders to breed one female with two males intentionally, but with the full knowledge of AKC and the understanding that the DNA would be used to determine the sire of each puppy. :animal36 It will be worth paying for the DNA if you have very nice puppies - if not you just need to sell them to people with the full knowledge of this mistake. Making a mistake doesn't make anyone a bad person - it's what you do with the mistake that determines what kind of person you are. :animal-pa |
I"m sure the breeder who studs out the male visiting would be very upset. That was a very wrong thing to do in breeding. |
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If I remember correctly, the AKC also charges 500 to register the litter, if it is determined to have 2 sires, on top of the DNA fees. |
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oops already received good advice......please listen to them. |
The same thing happened to me:(....2 males and 1 female, in one day. How do I order and from whom...the DNA kits? |
Just go to AKC.org and get the info and order the DNA kits from them in order to register your litter. |
I would think that the only fair & sensible thing to do would be to sell them as pets only with no registration. Be honest with any purchasers as to what happened. The only reason I could imagine for going through with the expense & testing for registration would be if the dogs were champions needed to further a particular breeding program. I hope that you are going to sell them with a spay/neuter contract as well. Best wishes for a beautiful, healthy litter. |
They are not show or champion dogs. But the first male that tied twice with my female is a friends dog and she want a puppy or money for the stud fee and the second male is my own and he tied at least once with my female. This just happened yesterday (fri. 11/14.08). Not really sure she is pregnant, but pretty sure. What would you guys do in a situation like this? Help!!!:confused: |
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I would go and get her the morning after pill!!!!!! |
Did the stud dog do do what he came for? You did get breedings from him. Do you have a contract? I would pay her or give her a pup - it is not her dogs fault in what happened. Really the best is to do DNA of all the puppies born. You can't register puppies unless you know for SURE what puppy belongs to each male. AKC will pull your rights to register ANY dog/puppy when it comes to light later that they are not correctly registered. That is not something you would want! |
Thanks Ya'll, I listened to everybody's advise on my situation,and have decided to do the DNA and even if my dog is the daddy, will still pay the fee for the use of the other dog, not the other lady's fault that I was so irresponsible. |
Who's the father? I know the proper names for the doggies are what they are called here.....but I could never call my little LuLu that word. She is my baby....a part of my family.......I guess I must be crazy.....it just sounds so impersonal and my LuLu could never be that way to me.:aimeeyork |
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