Originally Posted by majesticyorkies (Post 2119471)

I have seen afriend of mine robin's pups have had cliff paletes is this inhareted? I have had some under bites in the past is this too inhareited? as for the others I ahve been I guess really lucky.

Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2120317)

Cleft Pallette can be inherited but it can also be caused by certain drugs and environmental factors, underbite is inherited.

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2111083)

Good questions...Yes, I would buy a puppy from a bitch who had a section because I have never found the need for a c-section inherited.

I would most certainly breed a sire and dam again if they produced a "problem" puppy...I would breed the dam to different sire. If the same problem arose again, she would be spayed. One "problem" puppy does not make the entire gene pool unsound...if you see a problem cropping up several times, then it is time to stop breeding those involved..but if you breed long enough, you will most likely get at least one of each problem in the book...no breeder can breed for 30 or 40 years and not see genetic faults.

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies (Post 2120339)

thank you s much for the imfo, There is always something new to learn, So glad for your help, Blessings Denise:):)

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2120721)

As far as bites go, I had a pup born early this year and he showed a slight underbite early on. It was more like a scissor bite than anything. I held on to him until about 4 1/2 months and by then his bite had evened out. I was surprised because I had heard that the lower jaw grows faster than the upper. I also heard that a pup can develop a bad bite later on. What can you tell me about bites evening out and at what age would a bite be considered set?

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2120788)

The bite can go back and forth between 8 and 16 weeks of age. Once the adult incisors are in the bite is pretty much fixed. You can have the top puppy incisors pulled so that the adult incisors come in and hopefully lock the bottom ones behind it. A true undershot or overshot jaw isn't in the placement of the incisors but in the jaw itself. The premolars will not line up correctly in a truly bad bite. A bad bite is recessive so that the dog showing the bad bite is homozygous for an undershot or overshot jaw. If they are bred to a dog that doesn't have a bad bite you still have a chance that half of the litter will have bad bites unless the dog with the good bite is homozygous dominent for a good bite. It's not that easy to breed out and really shouldn't be in your breeding program.

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2110229)

There is no black and white answer to this question. What was the reason for needing a section? One over sized pup, puppy blocking birth canal, weak contractions..on and on.

It does not sit right with me to make a blanket statement as this or any... and if you do not comply, you are unethical, uncaring etc.

I give a bitch two chances...many free whelp the second time and there after..a few do not and are spayed.
I had a girl with very poor contractions.. gave oxyie and then a section...vet said to try again...I thought if she had poor contractions the first time, she would have poor contractions the next..stands to reason, right? My vet was there for me 24/7, so I bred the girl again...she free whelped with strong contractions..and went on to have a couple more litters. I have had girls with one large pup and sectioned, but the next litter was 4 and no problems...see my point?

I have had bitches free whelp two litters, need a section and go on to free whelp the next...
No one has the right to tell the knowledgable, well seasoned breeder how to breed..the novice needs a good mentor to help them make wise choices. I do respect those who are very concerned with the welfare of these bitches, but no one has to tell the ethcial breeder how to do it..

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2121671)

Most faults can be bred out..but it can take years. In the mean time you are producing the fault from time to time, never knowing when it will pop up...
If you have a bitch with a good bite and she produces a pup with a minor under bite..try another stud.
Minor under bites correct much of the time..but over bites only worsen as a rule, since the upper jaw grows for a longer period of time...and an under or over shot jaw is very different then a slightly off bite...