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OurGizmo 06-22-2008 11:37 AM
My son's dog killed her pups??
 
I am devastated but nowhere near as bad as my son and his OH must feel right now ...
Their Old English (sorry, not Yorkie) was expecting ...she had 3 healthy pups but then lost all the others (there were quite a few due) ...one pup was breech presentation and they were inexperienced....
Anyway, my son has just phoned me in tears.....the mother just killed the THREE pups she had.....please, can someone tell me why???
They had to take her for a C Section but these pups were fine.....and the mother was doing well too....does this happen???
I know nothing about breeding but am crying here too.....:(

Sandysbabies 06-22-2008 11:43 AM
I am so sorry. And yes it does happen. My son loves to hunt and back a few years ago his hunting dog had puppies. She killed everyone of them before they realized she had had them. They too were in shock, but I have heard of that happening. Its terrible and I wonder why too but evidently it can happen with any breed.

chattiesmom 06-22-2008 12:27 PM
I can't tell you why this happened, but I am so very sorry for you and your son. It would be devestating to lose one pup, much less a whole litter! Hugs to you and your son :hug:

Wrenee4 06-22-2008 12:50 PM
How long after the csection did this happen? Our vet says to watch VERY close for the first day as they are still groggy and may just snap at them...not meaning to really kill them.

OurGizmo 06-22-2008 01:31 PM
C section was 2 days ago (or maybe 3, not too sure??) ...anyway the mother has now been rushed to the vet as she is losing blood.....it was her first litter too ....devastating isn't it when this happens?? :(

yorkiekist 06-22-2008 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OurGizmo (Post 2064815)
I am devastated but nowhere near as bad as my son and his OH must feel right now ...
Their Old English (sorry, not Yorkie) was expecting ...she had 3 healthy pups but then lost all the others (there were quite a few due) ...one pup was breech presentation and they were inexperienced....
Anyway, my son has just phoned me in tears.....the mother just killed the THREE pups she had.....please, can someone tell me why???
They had to take her for a C Section but these pups were fine.....and the mother was doing well too....does this happen???
I know nothing about breeding but am crying here too.....:(
Was this an English Bulldog? If she is, it is basically routein to have a c-section and hand raise the puppies. Most Bulldogs do not have strong motherly instincts and have a very high pain/sensitiviy threshold. That is why the pups are hand raised(kept separate from the mom and only put on her to nurse and always supervised). They commonly lay on the pups and sufocate them(not on purpose). They almost all have delivery problems due to several reasons. One being the pups have big heads and they will just stop contracting after the first or second pup. This is a very difficult breed of dog to sucessfully raise unless you are there 24/7. Sorry for your loss.

MindieRose 06-22-2008 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2065078)
Was this an English Bulldog? If she is, it is basically routein to have a c-section and hand raise the puppies. Most Bulldogs do not have strong motherly instincts and have a very high pain/sensitiviy threshold. That is why the pups are hand raised(kept separate from the mom and only put on her to nurse and always supervised). They commonly lay on the pups and sufocate them(not on purpose). They almost all have delivery problems due to several reasons. One being the pups have big heads and they will just stop contracting after the first or second pup. This is a very difficult breed of dog to sucessfully raise unless you are there 24/7. Sorry for your loss.
I was assuming it was an Old English Sheep Dog.

I have never had this happen with my dogs before, but I did have a hamster kill all of her babies just as they were about to go to new homes. I know, totally different, but its the only time I have witnessed anything like that. People always say to not handle puppies or kittens because the moms may kill them, but I had never seen it actually happen before.

OurGizmo 06-22-2008 06:36 PM
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear ...it was indeed an OES ...Old English Sheepdog.....a real tragedy as my son said the three they had were lovely strong pups.....:( Thanks for listening everyone.

yorkiekist 06-22-2008 10:30 PM
Sorry, my bad. I did have a friend that raised OES and Bernese Mt dogs. I believe she told me that she hand raised them quite frequently also. I know her Berners always had to have c-sections.

Again, I am sorry for your loss.:(

mardel 06-24-2008 06:05 AM
I an so sorry for your son that must be devastating.This happened to a friend a while back and I did some research in the book The Complete Book of Dog Breeding there is some info on the matter they say it is called cannibalism.

txshopper73 06-24-2008 09:58 AM
How horrible! I am so sorry that this happened.

A friend had a bulldog and of course, c-section. That evening (owner had pups in a cage), the mom went in and somehow pulled the female pup through the cage and ate her. There was no evidence of the pup...just blood everywhere. Just tragic!

yoyo27 06-24-2008 05:13 PM
Oh how terrible to loose the litter and now the mom loosing blood. I hope she is okay and maybe the next time will go better. I hear alot of times the mom eats the puppies but not sure why.

luckylady 06-25-2008 05:22 PM
I am so sorry to hear about the tragic loss of the OES litter. I have heard of that happening before, but thankfully have not experianced it myself.
I wish the best for your son and the mama OES.........is she doing okay now?

red98vett 06-28-2008 05:32 PM
That's so sad !! I'm far from being a breeder or expert but I've read that because of the C-Section sometimes the moms really don't understand they even had puppies - maybe that's what happened ? There's more to it but it does happen ....but OMG that has to be just devestating to know your own dog could do this - or worse - to see....

My condolences to your son and family - that's very sad.. I hope the mom will be ok. It's NATURE and please tell them not to hold this against her. She probably was just very confused after surgery.:(:(:(

brunosmom 06-29-2008 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OurGizmo (Post 2064815)
I am devastated but nowhere near as bad as my son and his OH must feel right now ...
Their Old English (sorry, not Yorkie) was expecting ...she had 3 healthy pups but then lost all the others (there were quite a few due) ...one pup was breech presentation and they were inexperienced....
Anyway, my son has just phoned me in tears.....the mother just killed the THREE pups she had.....please, can someone tell me why???
They had to take her for a C Section but these pups were fine.....and the mother was doing well too....does this happen???
I know nothing about breeding but am crying here too.....:(
old english bulldogs are know for being bad mothers. i have heard of several ppl whos dogs killed the pups. most of the time they have to be raised on a bottle and kept away from the mother. i know that sounds bad but from what i understand that i the easiest way to keep the mother from killing them.

sorry about your loss!!!!!!!!!!


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