Help breeders... ??? about puppy
 

My pups are almost five weeks old and we just started ground dry puppy food on a plate... and I am noticing a few teeth. This morning I noticed the smaller one was wet around the mouth. When I touched it, it was a little sticky. I opened her month and nothing was in there. They are confined in a baby pool so she didn't get to anything. Is this normal or do I need to take her too the vet? I noticed to her poop was a little mushy (not diareha sp?) but soft. I figured that would be to change in diet. They are still all nursing with mom.

I have never experienced hypoglycima but I did give her a little bit of puppy nutrical... any suggestions or thoughts. Very nervous because she is the small one of the bunch... she weighs 13 oz this morning... which is a little gain from yesterday. She hasn't lost weight.

Please any help would be greatly appreciated. I am calling the vet too... but I always get lots of ideas and advice from here. thank you!!!

Help... anyone????

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I dont know.
Is she shaking? weak?
The poopie does get softer as they are being weaned for a while
I know sometimes if dogs get excited they get kinda "foamy" around the mouth sometimes. I havent had it happen with Yorkies tho.
I would call the vet just to be safe hun

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I just thought of something
Did you hear any gagging while they were eating?
A lot of times if they gag..or even vomit.
It will be around little puppies mouths .
And the bile can be sticky and kinda and foamy
She may have just choked....

I would be concerned about the soft poop. That could be a indication of coccidia which often shows up around that age. If her mouth was wet and sticky it is possible she had the dry heaves and threw up stomach fluids. Are you also giving them water? Once you start feeding them the ground up dry food you should also leave a bowl of water down along with the dry food. I would really recommend taking the whole litter to the vet and getting their stools checked. Please keep us posted on how they are doing.

Good point, I didn't think about coccidia. Are they old enough to go through a round of albon?

I didnt think about that Barbara
Thank you...
Yes soft stools can quickly turn to diarrhea,
And if they get vomiting and diarrhea you can lose them fast at this young of age.
I was shocked when the puppy flu went thru a litter I had before.
(tested Neg on coccidia and other things)
I lost a 8 month old And another little puppy in a matter of hours.
I really think I'd take them to the vets too.

If a puppy is exposed to coccidia shorty after birth, say the mom had coccidia and had an outbreak of diarrhea right after the puppies are born, then the puppies could start showing symptoms as early as two weeks of age. It is common for puppies to get it around 3 to 4 weeks old. It is also possible the puppies could have worms. You can start giving Albon at 3 or 4 weeks. I would highly recommend the pups be checked by a vet to rule out worms or coccidia.

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All good advice. Keep us posted on how things are going.

Well we are back from the vet... and he ruled out worms for sure. She had no temp and her vitals were all great. He gave her a bunch of fluids, some meds for vomiting and amoxicilian.

How does the mom get coccidia? Lilly hasn't been anywhere in over six months and she is rarely outside except to pee. She has no exposure to other animals and she has all of her vaccinations obviously.

Sophie (the puppy) had a solid stool when we came home. It was never watery... just on the softer side. The bloody discharge is what made me run to the vet as fast as I could. She is still very sleepy.

The vet told me to take her off any kind of puppy food and just let her nurse from mom... but she doesn't seem interested. I thought I would let the meds kick in.

Is there anything you guys suggest I do that I might not be doing?

Was there blood in her stools?
I didnt know that ! What did the vet say about that?
Did he test for coccidia ?
I dont know anything else you can do...Hopefully the meds kick in and shes better soon :( Prayers for your baby (((HUGS)))

The blood is just discharging a little bit all by itself... not with the poop. She was laying on my lap and it made a spot on my pants.

He didn't even mention coccidia. I didn't read most of these post until I came home. All he asked was if mom was treated for parasites. Lilly has never had any problems.

Dogs can get coccidia from eating other dogs poop, from cock roaches, flies spread it and mice. Some puppies get from their momma and once they get it they will then be carriers. Coccidia can lay dormant in a dog for a long time and the dog may only have an outbreak when under stress.

Just watch her closely. She could have been having a hypoglycemic episode. Do you have any Nutri-drops or Pet-tinic on hand? If so you might give her some of that a couple times a day. Anytime a puppy act listless and is not eating then that is a sign of hypoglycemia. You could give her a little Karo syrup and water and see if that perks her up. Please keep us posted on how she is doing.

Okay... they treat coccidia with antibotics and she is on an antibotic (amoxicilian). I was reading other post about coccidia and Sophie just has softer stool... not diarriea. The vet thinks it was due to change in diet. Could it be because she is the little one of the litter?

So many questions = ( I just want to do everything in my power to make her all better!!

I have never heard of treating coccidia with amoxicillin. Most vets use albon. I would be very concerned too if I had seen blood from the rectum. I missed that earlier. Your puppy is 5 weeks old and it is time for her to start eating some solid food and water. I am concerned that there could be something else going on. Follow your vets advice and if she continues to have any problems then take her back right away....don't wait. We will be praying for your little girl.

Amoxicillin does not get rid of coccidia !! You need Albon to sucessfully treat it.

Sounds like your vet didn't make any firm diagnosis but is playing it safe with the amoxicillan and by advising to just let her nurse. At 5 weeks a healthy puppy should be ready for some puppy food along with continuing to nurse. I start mine out on kibble soaked in water until it's mush. You can water it down more if there's any stomach upset at first. I"m not saying go against your vet's advice, just stating how it is with most pups. If she won't nurse, you can try a little karo on the nipple to entice her. As far as coccidia goes, I've never seen a clear answer on how a dog contracts it but that stress or a change in food can bring it on. I give my pups a 'just in case' treatment of Albon for 5 days a couple of weeks after they start eating food and I always get a clear fecal result. I'm guessing that it can be present but dormant in the intestines and can be expressed by stress or a change in food. Bloody diarrhea is never a good thing, especially in a pup so it's good you went to the vet. In an older dog, it could just be an irritable bowel. I've never personally seen it in a pup so I would have been worried too. Hope it all works out. Keep an eye on her: make sure her gums are a healthy pink and that she doesn't become dehydrated. At 5 weeks, she isn't as frail as a newborn but can still go downhill quickly. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa

If your vet ruled out worms, he should have been able to rule out coccidia as they are both detected by a fecal sample.

Her gums are pink... and she hasn't had diarrhea just soft stool.

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Yes, I missed that too.:(
I would be very concerned with a puppy this little.
They go downhill fast sometimes. Mine was being subQ'd by me..anti nausea med..and diarrhea med. and 2 still died. Can you call the vet back?
Make sure you have ER vet phone number tonight.
Not trying to scare you hun.
But I'm not sure your vet did what he should in this case.
Keep us update...Praying....

The vet is a vet hospital and open 24 hours. We are currently waiting for a call back to ask more questions. At the advice of another YT member I started her on goats milk, karo syrup, and nutri-drops. She had a normal stool when we came home from the vet at 1pm and has peed twice. She nursed with mom a little but I could tell she was getting tired... that is when I have her the goats milk.

It is hard when the vet is saying one thing and YT is saying another. I know that vets can't possibly know everything... and they have different opinions, I just don't want to miss anything. I don't want to regret not doing something.

I am leaning toward hypoglycima (but she never seemed out of it... or loopy. In fact she would look me straight in the eye... just extremely sluggish. Maybe I caught it before it got to that point?). That just doesn't explain the browinsh blood stained discharge to me. But, the vet was pretty sure that was change of diet and maybe that led to the hypoglycimic episode. :confused:

I will keep you updated... but we aren't letting her leave our sight! We are hoping all we are doing gets her well soon.

How is she doing today?

Yes...Wondering like Nicki
how that little one is doing this morning?
Let us know. Praying that all is well

"It is hard when the vet is saying one thing and YT is saying another. I know that vets can't possibly know everything... and they have different opinions, I just don't want to miss anything. I don't want to regret not doing something."

I had the same issue with my last litter. The vet said let nature take its course and don't supplement the puppies. He also said with a large litter be prepared to lose 2 or 3. Now I love this vet. He is really the best around here, but I certainly didn't feel right about what he was saying. So I went with YT recommendations on supplementing, and saved all 7 of them. You really have to take charge of your own puppy's care. Make the decisions based upon all the information and your own gut feelings. i think you will be happier that way, and will be able to live with the decision's outcome.

Hoping you had a good night, and that things are more settled today.

P.S. The reason he said don't supplement was he wanted the puppies to get the colostrum from mom. Reasonable, but it wasn't working for me... so I supplemented the puppies.

Okay... after having her by herself I think we have found we were a little off. I think the mushy poop was from a different puppy all together. Last night and this morning Sophie looked like she was trying really hard to poop and couldn't. This morning a small amount came out but it was hard. My husband picked her up and looked at her bottom to see if any was stuck and he thinks the brownish blood is actually coming from right around the outside of her bottom. Is it possible for a puppy to produce a hemroid from pushing hard or to tear something???? We don't think the blood is enternal because the poop doesn't have a trace of it.

She is eating... nursing with mom and getting goats milk from us to fatten her up since she is the smallest. No temp and no more vomit since yesterday morning.

Is there something I can do to help her poop. Waiting for another call back from the vet to get his opinion as well.

You need to give her some karo syrup and water with a syringe or dropper and that will help soften her stool. Did you see any stool? Keep in mind that puppies that have coccidia will also strain and have nothing come out but gooey stuff and some blood. Is she wet and gooey around her bottom, stinky smelling or is her bottom dry?

She can strain trying to pass a very firm elimination and cause swelling in the rectum, this of course will make the next movement difficult and so on. Ask your vet for instructions on giving her an enema. When I have to give an enema I use a 3ml syringe (no needle of course) three or four drops of hand soap in a juice glass of warm water ( body temp) depending on the weight of the puppy I will start with about 1ml and wait several minutes before possibly giving another 1ml. Pure mineral oil is a good intestinal lubricant in small doses. Add a little something to soothe her bottom and she'll be much more comfortable. Hope this helps. :)