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Our breed is #2 in popularity and that's because puppymills and BYB's can supply the demand and MUCH LESS are bought from show breeders. This thread is about "RESPONSIBLE" breeding and that's whether you show or not PERIOD! If I'm radical to you then so be it but it won't change my opinions or show/breeding practices just because you disagree with the way I do things. Many breeders disagree with me but it doesn't mean I'm going to sway away from my convictions and beliefs and practices. I have a life thank you and without that life I wouldn't be where I am today! My life is filled with the love and support of my husband, my family, my child, my grandchild and my yorkies and I work and have a very full life. I just happen to be passionate about the yorkie breed and the way it's heading is not pretty! Again, I will not apologize for my show/breeding practices, my "showy type" attitude or my beliefs :) Donna Bird Brookynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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Shout this message out. don't give up. kathy |
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Don't ever give up we need people like you on yorkie talk!!! You say what you say only because YOU TRULEY CARE ABOUT THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER and I know if you were into any other breed you would be the same way for them. so AMEN to your post also!!! kathy |
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HUH? You have a pet dog now, but you want to make breeding illegal? So, where will pet dogs come from after breeding is banned? Or maybe you want just a very few carefully chosen elite to breed; then you'll be crying when you can't get a pet dog for under $10,000, or whatever high price the rare few avaiable dogs will cost. How about we concentrate first on getting the puppy mill situation under control since we know them to be truly reprehensible. IMO BYBs are a relatively small part of the problem, and most probably treat their dogs quite well. They're just not as selective about their breeding stock as some of us. Some people posting here are way too radical...get a life.[/QUOTE] Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think anyone on this thread was advocating making breeding altogether illegal......That being said, I do agree with the point made here that BYBs are a relatively small part of the problem. Notice the phrase is "relatively small"--acknowledging they are a problem, but not the biggest problem. Many, many "back-yard breeders" care deeply for their dogs and would never mistreat them as the true puppymills do. While they often do not breed completely to standard, many fit the description of a "reputable" breeder in every other way. Again, please note I said "many", not "all". I do realize some do not; however, again they are a relatively small part of the problem. Regardless of our views about breeding to standard, I don't think anyone would disagree that it is much worse to keep a dog in deplorable conditions than to breed a healthy off-standard dog. Looking at the big picture, it is a completely different thing to breed a healthy silver Yorkie in good conditions, than to breed a female every heat until she dies with no vet care, no human interaction, in cruel surroundings. And in the big picture, it does make more sense to spend your time fighting those breeding in deplorable conditions first....and then tackle those not breeding to standard. This is the interpretation I made of Dudley's post, anyway. Apology in advance if I interpreted it wrong. :) |
HUH? You have a pet dog now, but you want to make breeding illegal? So, where will pet dogs come from after breeding is banned? Or maybe you want just a very few carefully chosen elite to breed; then you'll be crying when you can't get a pet dog for under $10,000, or whatever high price the rare few avaiable dogs will cost. How about we concentrate first on getting the puppy mill situation under control since we know them to be truly reprehensible. IMO BYBs are a relatively small part of the problem, and most probably treat their dogs quite well. They're just not as selective about their breeding stock as some of us. Some people posting here are way too radical...get a life.[/QUOTE] Well, Dudley, I seemed to have offended you, I'm assuming you must be one of the in-house breeders I was referring to. The ones who love and take excellent care of their dogs but want to raise a few pups. So they breed their pets who produce more pets and on the cycle goes. The point I'm trying to make is if your going to breed, you should have the best representatives of whatever breed your breeding, not pet quality. No, I don't want to make breeding illegal just make the people who are breeding more responsible as to what they breed. You ask where will I get a pet? Just go to your local shelter there's plenty that you can pick from, in fact they're full. Can you guess where most of those dogs come from? Most come from those that you say, "They're just not as selective about their breeding stock as some of us." Some end up with a lot of health issues that the people who bought them can't afford to treat, so they take them to shelters or just dump them somewhere. Yes Dudley, I'm sorry to say, that really happens in the real world but some had rather keep their head buried in the sand, hoping it'll just go away. I can see you didn't and may never understand, the only way is for the breeders of all breeds to work together to try to put a stop to what's happening to these animals and if you're a breeder Dudley, that includes you. Sandy |
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Great reminder, I believe this needs to be talk about often here at Breeder Talk. |
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Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think anyone on this thread was advocating making breeding altogether illegal......That being said, I do agree with the point made here that BYBs are a relatively small part of the problem. Notice the phrase is "relatively small"--acknowledging they are a problem, but not the biggest problem. Many, many "back-yard breeders" care deeply for their dogs and would never mistreat them as the true puppymills do. While they often do not breed completely to standard, many fit the description of a "reputable" breeder in every other way. Again, please note I said "many", not "all". I do realize some do not; however, again they are a relatively small part of the problem. Regardless of our views about breeding to standard, I don't think anyone would disagree that it is much worse to keep a dog in deplorable conditions than to breed a healthy off-standard dog. Looking at the big picture, it is a completely different thing to breed a healthy silver Yorkie in good conditions, than to breed a female every heat until she dies with no vet care, no human interaction, in cruel surroundings. And in the big picture, it does make more sense to spend your time fighting those breeding in deplorable conditions first....and then tackle those not breeding to standard. This is the interpretation I made of Dudley's post, anyway. Apology in advance if I interpreted it wrong. :)[/QUOTE] |
Well, Dudley, I seemed to have offended you, I'm assuming you must be one of the in-house breeders I was referring to. The ones who love and take excellent care of their dogs but want to raise a few pups. So they breed their pets who produce more pets and on the cycle goes. The point I'm trying to make is if your going to breed, you should have the best representatives of whatever breed your breeding, not pet quality. No, I don't want to make breeding illegal just make the people who are breeding more responsible as to what they breed. You ask where will I get a pet? Just go to your local shelter there's plenty that you can pick from, in fact they're full. Can you guess where most of those dogs come from? Most come from those that you say, "They're just not as selective about their breeding stock as some of us." Some end up with a lot of health issues that the people who bought them can't afford to treat, so they take them to shelters or just dump them somewhere. Yes Dudley, I'm sorry to say, that really happens in the real world but some had rather keep their head buried in the sand, hoping it'll just go away. I can see you didn't and may never understand, the only way is for the breeders of all breeds to work together to try to put a stop to what's happening to these animals and if you're a breeder Dudley, that includes you. Sandy[/QUOTE] While I agree with some of your statement, I really don't agree that most of the dogs in shelters come from the type of BYB that Dudley was talking about. Not a huge number of people would discard their dog because it is the "wrong" color. As has been the case in other threads, I think maybe we all have a different definition about what a BYB is. There is a big difference between a BYB who breeds unhealthy dogs and one who breeds off-standard dogs. This thread started out referring to breeders who breed unhealthy dogs....breeding to standard is another subject entirely. Regardless, each is entitled to his or her own opinion. |
Why are the quotes not working right on this page??? I don't think it's just me, because above I see someone quoted me, but my username appears on the quote that I originally quoted. |
Donna when I read you last post about your convictions and beliefs, I was sitting here cheering you on, just had to find some pompoms! :cheer: You are so good at putting your thoughts into words and that is a true gift. I just wish more people would take it to heart and see it for what it is...excellent and sound advice!!! Thank you! :D |
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