Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 1897843)

I just watched the show and thought they did a pretty good job.

The only other thing I wish they would have touched on is the that these puppy mills end up selling sick puppies because of their breeding practices (or lack of it). I wish they would have mentioned that responsible breeders check their bitches and studs for disease and congenital defects and don't breed ones that have any.

Also, they didn't mention how many are being brought in from other countries - like Mexico - and sold out of the trunks of cars!!!

Or the trauma that these puppies go through leaving their Mom's too early, traveling from the puppy mill breeders to puppy millers like The Hunte Corp and then on to Petland!!!! :thumbdown

I cried and continue to cry for all of these animals...

Originally Posted by kathylynch (Post 1900155)

I agree AKC should be the ones to take a stand after all most of these
puppymills, backyard breeders get there reg. from akc.
mY HUSBUND AND I WATCHED THIS TOGETHER HIS BELIEFS ABOUT
PUPPY MILLS ,BACKYARD BREEDERS are the same as mine.He mentioned
that AKC should limit the reg. per year say maybe 5 litters
per year.per kennel/home that is on the high side for me as I am also a very small breeder.
(show) I like to keep it that way personally as it is hard to keep up with
things if you are doing it right.No one wants the goverment to control
this but really somthing needs to be done.
There is a town out here in Texas called Canton and they have canton days
once a month at this place they sell all kinds of stuff including
puppys and I mean puppys galore. AKC reg.I am sure there is other places out there that is typical thsi is no better than selling in a pet store.
kathy

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1900004)

Since the Oprah show wasn't about any particular breed, I'll speak generally, too. I think that people who buy puppies need to be more aware about the 'dog business' in general before they buy. That's the only true way to shut down puppy mills. The more aware and demanding puppy buyers are, the more breeders will have to 'up their game'. This would be good for everyone all around, especially the dogs. While I agree with you in principle about what breeders should be doing, there is no way in reality that all those things will ever happen. There is no reason for a breeder not to guarantee the health of a puppy for a year but the other points you make (full breeding rights and spay/neuter contracts) are dictates that generally only show breeders and those with very high-end dogs have the luxury to demand. Also, the 'alternative' registries do not offer the breeder the option of selling a pup with limited registration and you can do an end-around AKC limited by registering your dog with another registry. I cannot honestly agree with you that back-yard breeders are as bad as puppy mills. No back yard breeder, no matter how ignorant or mis-guided they may be, heaps the cruelties on their dogs that puppy mills do on a daily basis for the dog's entire life. Though you may rightly disagree with many of the things they are doing, it is really unfair to lump them in with puppy mills. BYBs at least generally care about their dogs while some puppy mills resemble concentration camps more than anything. If this problem is ever to be solved, the worst of the worst must be eliminated and that is the commercial puppy mills. To lump anyone else in with them only muddies the water and makes it more difficult to focus on the real problem. Dog owners must bear some responsibility in this too. It seems like the animal shelters are really being over-whelmed by strays and dogs and puppies from litters that only happened because folks neglect to spay or neuter their pets. Also, too many people consider their dogs 'disposable' if it becomes inconvenient to keep them. Hope I didn't get you started :D , just wanted to express how I see the problem. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Originally Posted by kathylynch (Post 1900213)

I have to disagree with your comment on backyard breeders some do not
care about the animal and will not take care of them if they need medical attention. Especially if is somthing that could turn into alot of money. Most BYB are as guilty as they are in it for the buck!!
not for the betterment!!!thats why you will see alot of BYB always having adds out constantly having litters maybe in a smaller scale then the
big puppy mills. But same thing. not as drastic as what you seen on
the show but the same mind set pushing puppys out all the time.I know one
person that has at least 25 litters per year do you think she is concerned
about the betterment of the breed? or her pocketbook you decide.
that is a small amount comapered to the big puppy miller but it still is alot.
just think if on the average there were 3 puppys per litter that would be 25
puppys a year. wow and say someone else has the same amout and so on
and none of these breeders gave a spay and neauter contract that would give more the cycle goes on what the heck do you think this is about.
Just be responsible!!!

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1900312)

I guess it depends on what you term a back yard breeder. There have already been enough threads before that shows there is wide disagreement on what one actually is. The breeder you describe would, in my mind, be a puppy mill though not on the scale of the huge operations. No one said a puppy mill can't be in someone's back yard. I think of a back yard breeder as someone less sinister though feel free to criticize them all you want, they are not the same as puppy mills. If I remember the title of the thread correctly, it is Oprah Show....Puppy mills and that is what the heck I think this is about.

Originally Posted by kathylynch (Post 1900173)

I so agree with you also!!! I hope she does another segment of this program
and discuss more issues like sick puppies ect.. and they should have
mention that good breeders do check to make sure pups are health screened before they leave and that there breeding parents are also checked yearly
before being breed. ohhhhhhhhhh I can go on but I will
stop. There is so much more to breeding thatn just selling a litter!
jmo Kathy

Originally Posted by yorkiesmiles (Post 1900341)

Can I appeal to all of you who appreciated what Oprah did, and view it as a starting point, to go to her website & leave a comment on there. If she gets more comments on this subject than any other, how can she deny not following this show up.

So much more is left to be said on this subject. I just read one comment on there that really seemed to hit a note - that might resonate with Oprah - name the legislation Sophie's Law - to close down these puppy mills.

While I doubt Oprah reads anything out there, her staff does and they can't turn a deaf ear to the outcries on the site.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1900344)

good idea! Can you provide a direct link to where to leave comments?

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1900004)

Since the Oprah show wasn't about any particular breed, I'll speak generally, too. I think that people who buy puppies need to be more aware about the 'dog business' in general before they buy. That's the only true way to shut down puppy mills. The more aware and demanding puppy buyers are, the more breeders will have to 'up their game'. This would be good for everyone all around, especially the dogs. While I agree with you in principle about what breeders should be doing, there is no way in reality that all those things will ever happen. There is no reason for a breeder not to guarantee the health of a puppy for a year but the other points you make (full breeding rights and spay/neuter contracts) are dictates that generally only show breeders and those with very high-end dogs have the luxury to demand. Also, the 'alternative' registries do not offer the breeder the option of selling a pup with limited registration and you can do an end-around AKC limited by registering your dog with another registry. I cannot honestly agree with you that back-yard breeders are as bad as puppy mills. No back yard breeder, no matter how ignorant or mis-guided they may be, heaps the cruelties on their dogs that puppy mills do on a daily basis for the dog's entire life. Though you may rightly disagree with many of the things they are doing, it is really unfair to lump them in with puppy mills. BYBs at least generally care about their dogs while some puppy mills resemble concentration camps more than anything. If this problem is ever to be solved, the worst of the worst must be eliminated and that is the commercial puppy mills. To lump anyone else in with them only muddies the water and makes it more difficult to focus on the real problem. Dog owners must bear some responsibility in this too. It seems like the animal shelters are really being over-whelmed by strays and dogs and puppies from litters that only happened because folks neglect to spay or neuter their pets. Also, too many people consider their dogs 'disposable' if it becomes inconvenient to keep them. Hope I didn't get you started :D , just wanted to express how I see the problem. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1900320)

But also on Oprah it was mentioned if I remember correctly was to adopt from a resuce or to buy from a responsible breeder so whether it was just about puppymills the show also kinda opened the door to something outside a puppymill....some of those "BYB's" buy from puppymills and go from there...so actually the show was open to interputation JMO :)
It was also about adopting or buying responsibly so again it opens the door to many things :) I hope that made sense...
I put an unethical byb in the same catagory as a puppymill with just as much less regard to health and the dogs. Same thing! Cruel is Cruel and cranking out puppies whether it be in a puppymill or someones backyard same thing...Large or small scale...

Donna

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1900320)

But also on Oprah it was mentioned if I remember correctly was to adopt from a resuce or to buy from a responsible breeder so whether it was just about puppymills the show also kinda opened the door to something outside a puppymill....some of those "BYB's" buy from puppymills and go from there...so actually the show was open to interputation JMO :)
It was also about adopting or buying responsibly so again it opens the door to many things :) I hope that made sense...
I put an unethical byb in the same catagory as a puppymill with just as much less regard to health and the dogs. Same thing! Cruel is Cruel and cranking out puppies whether it be in a puppymill or someones backyard same thing...Large or small scale...

Donna

Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1900178)

Kathy there is Lucasville Ohio that does this twice a year a flea market type thing and they sell animals of every kind.
My brothers girlfriend goes every year not for animals but she is a fanatic for flea markets.
I would never go for fear of bringing back something (contagious to my dogs)
but they said they have lots of pups in wagons just toting them around for sale and they said they cannot belive but most of these dogs are sold and of course you will notice a bigger pet classifieds in the surrounding areas where people have bought them for resell. Its just nuts. I have been told they have nice bird toys and cages for the parrots, I have a cockatoo but just not worth me going to a place like that to get a discount price on my birds toys.
I would rather pay full price and order as to help keep that place in business.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 1900371)

Wouldnt a responsible byb be considered a hobby breeder? I am confused about what some call bybs on here vs hobby breeders. What if someone is breeding dogs that have been health tested, but are above standard weight or not standard color? Is that a BYB? At some point it has to come down to a matter of opinion.