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How many is too many???? I just came from this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123614 which brought this question to mind.... The breeder she was speaking to had an awful lot of dogs (of different breeds). As I read it, I had to agree it popped up some red flags for me too. She had alot of dogs, different breeds, kept in a building, etc., etc. Now I'm not saying she is or isn't a reputable breeder, but it got me thinking.... How many breeding dogs is too many for a good reputable breeder? I might not be putting the question quite right. I'm just wondering what YTr's opinions are of "how many is to many?" I guess in my opinion, if the dogs have to be kept in another building, in kennels, or away from the family (as in not part of the family), then that's too many. Any other thoughts??? Are there exceptions? |
The way I *kind of* see it, is the same way I look at having an outdoor dog. If you have *some* dogs (not 50 or something!) that you do keep in a (sheltered) kenneled area, and they get daily attention, affection, exercise, they are well cared for, then I dont see a problem with it. Some people keep their dogs confined to one area of the house, and I see this as no different if you properly care for your kenneled dogs. BUT, I would only think its ok if they also had proper space to run and all of that. Not small cages or anything. Some dogs though, like yorkies and other *lap type* breeds, I dont think I would be so ok with it. I think if someone has a separate kenneled area for dogs that they are breeding, they have some pretty high standards they should hold to. |
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We do not show any Yorkies, this too would add to it. I think if I showed I may have to go down on my # of Yorkies??? I don't know for I do know the show coats take a lot more work then our coats and once again I'd have to ask myself if I could keep up with it all. I won't take on more Yorkies then I feel I can't care for proper. As far as different breeds, I will not take on another breed to raise or even breed. Yorkies is it for our home, no others pets just Yorkies. I don't know enough about other breeds to be trying to breed them and Yorkies too, for me it's a full time job just to learn about Yorkies and breed them right and care for them proper. We have ours in our Yorkie/Office room which is built right on to our bedroom, there is a door to close them off but I keep it open with a gate in it. I hear every move they make at night, the only reason our boys are in our living room in playpens is due to Sage being in heat and our other girls could come into heat at any point and time. My boys get out everyday with belly bands on and play. My girls are in the Yorkie room and get out of their crates all the time. Sage is free to stay day and night in our Yorkie room once she is done spotting. Once our 2 puppies get done with their chewing stage then they too will roam free in their room and be able to come into the rest of the house. (Being that all heat cycles are done, I don't let my boys around any of our girls even if just one is in heat, I don't want to tease them as I call it, keep them much calmer and not marking as much.) I would not have a kennel on the outside of my house due to I feel to much could happen to them and I would not know it. For me I want mine in our home. This is just my opo tho. |
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I don't have a particular number...but I agree with everyone else...I could never keep them in an outside kennel, so the day that I feel like it's too much in my house, I'll know my limit. :) |
i agree with sugars mom.. well said these people are little puppy mills, ans are not concerned about the dog's life.. only money:thumbdown :) Quote:
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When puppies I have a gate that blocks them in my living room. I dont use crates :( I know lots do...just not my thing. I do have an xpen for little ones in living room during puppy time. But once trained the dogs have the run of my house. Its a lot of work. But love them all. I have 7 inside with my 2 new babies.Thats enough! They get lots of attention from my husband and me...kids and grandkids. |
There is no way I could just give a numerical answer to this question. It's not a black and white issue. A lot of it depends on the individual breeder and what they can handle. |
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I didn't really think there would be a set & definite answer....it just got me wondering as to maybe the average amount of dogs a reputable breeder could handle and still give the love and attention to them that they need and deserve. I guess that statement really answers the question for myself. If a breeder can't love their dogs enough to treat them as part of the family, then they are not the breeder for me. So far, it sounds like most that have posted here agree. :p |
Rose I agree with you, I don't use crates, I have a "nursery" that the puppies and Lexie stay in that is gated and she can get out of, the rest of the crew have full run of my house, when it gets to the point where I have to use crates and leave them in there thats when I stop and find homes for them all. I think its so sad for dogs to be in crates most of there life or chained. thats jmo. |
Too many is when it becomes a burden and the animals are not cared for correctly anymore. |
When your house smells like a pet shop and/or a dirty hamster cage. |
This is a timely discussion for me as I spent several hours today bathing and grooming all of our yorkies. We have three grown females and one grown male -- two of these have 3/4 's of a full coat, one is pregnant and one is nursing. We have our four little boy puppies -- 6 weeks old now and running everywhere, they had their first baths today. All dogs live in our family room/kitchen with us, and sleep in crates in our bedroom at night. The puppies are kept in a playpen in our bedroom at night and in a playpen in the kitchen when I have to be away during the day. Otherwise they run in the kitchen with an x-pen fence to keep them off the family room carpet. There is going to be some overlap between the litter we have now and our next litter (due in 2 weeks). We know we have at least 4 puppies in the next litter (sonogram). Fortunately after the first few days, newborns are pretty easy to care for (assuming no problems). I have reached my limit. :asleep: |
"I didn't really think there would be a set & definite answer....it just got me wondering as to maybe the average amount of dogs a reputable breeder could handle and still give the love and attention to them that they need and deserve." This is me myself and how I myself feel: There isn't no set definite answer, it is what each breeder/owner feels they can keep up with, but I myself know I couldn't keep up with 50 unless there was hired help to assist me in caring for them. This is why we downsized, It wasn't an easy choice as I truly loved each one of our babies in our litters and Tiffanie we had since she was a baby it was hard to allow her to be with someone else but with 2 children at the ages of 9 & 12, hubby, we have a Framing Construction Company, school, and such I just felt I couldn't keep up with them all and give them all the attention they needed, now when U have a litter of puppies that usually go to their forever homes at around the ages of 12 weeks some of ours we had till ages 6 months due to being so big, to me that is different for they aren't in U're regular pack. Our regular pack now is 5 and I can give each one what they need and all the love they deserve. "This is a timely discussion for me as I spent several hours today bathing and grooming all of our yorkies. We have three grown females and one grown male -- two of these have 3/4 's of a full coat, one is pregnant and one is nursing. We have our four little boy puppies -- 6 weeks old now and running everywhere, they had their first baths today. All dogs live in our family room/kitchen with us, and sleep in crates in our bedroom at night. The puppies are kept in a playpen in our bedroom at night and in a playpen in the kitchen when I have to be away during the day. Otherwise they run in the kitchen with an x-pen fence to keep them off the family room carpet. There is going to be some overlap between the litter we have now and our next litter (due in 2 weeks). We know we have at least 4 puppies in the next litter (sonogram)." It does become time consuming when U're taking care of U're babies they way then should be kept. "When your house smells like a pet shop and/or a dirty hamster cage" When Clydes' new family came to our house, when they came into our Yorkie Room she said "Now this is the way a home for Yorkies should smell and look" they had went to other homes and pet stores here in our town that day looking for a Yorkie and she said out of all the visited not one was in the shape ours was, that ours was the cleanest they had seen. Well of course I was very proud. And they adopted Clyde that day. |
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Just curious as to why you have two stud males. I know sometimes a breeder will keep back a really good puppy, and you can't always predict whether it will be a boy/girl, but just wondering how you got the mix of dogs you have. Also, when a female is in heat I just put a belly band on our little boy. That lead to all kinds of activity, but nothing else (at least so far). Do you think that it is better to physically separate them? My guy is house trained with a doggie door, but when the girls are in heat he starts marking EVERYTHING. So he would have to be in a belly band anyway. Anyone else have this problem? |
Belly Banded Males I also use Belly Bands for my retired stud Skeeter :aimeeyork , I still do even though he was neautered a month ago. He still has it in his head to mark and thinks he is still the King! |
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I have two studs because i USED to have three breeding females. two are spayed now AND Renny, my new stud, well I have had him almost two years now has a pedigree to die for. Ceeby was the only male for two years, then Renny came along. I couldn't resist him.Plus, I have kept one of Ceeby's girls back so obviously, she can't be bred to ceeby. I am breeding her to Renny next Friday. It will be her first time. She is in her second heat right now. That is the breeding girl I mentioned. NO NO NO do not count on Belly Bands and yess, you had better physically separate them. Ceeby bred one of my females when he had a belly band on right over the top of it and there has been more than one case of that happening on here or the male taki ng the females panties off. When you do put one in a crate, you have to watch that also because the femalee will back up to the crate and the male can reach his legs thru it and pull her close, next thing you have puppies. You could also put one or the other in another room. As I said, sometimes I let mine run in the house so they don't have to stay in the crate so long. |
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We have 5 that have free run of the house except at night or when we are gone, then they are crated. I personally cannot see having them in separate building myself, but as MyFairLacy said, its sort of a case by case thing, as to what each breeder handles and how they handle it. |
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I agree, depends on each breeder. I can see where it would be possible, with additional help, to have a number of dogs and still be well cared for and well socialized too. Like, if a single breeder can care well for, say, 10 dogs, then theoretically they should be able to hire another person for each additional 10 dogs and still have good care and socialization. Probably in real life the ratio wouldn't be quite that liberal. I think a situation like this would take lots of planning and attention to detail to be done properly, but could be done. I don't see how a true "puppy mill" could do this, as they would not lay out the $$ for adequate care and help. Bottom line, there's really no way to judge from numbers alone. It's like setting an arbitrary limit on how many kids a person can have....different for everyone. |
Well....I guess another point I'm also concerned about with having so many dogs is, if a breeder has so many dogs; just where are all of their puppies going? 15-20- or more dogs make alot of litters. Would reputable breeders have places for all those puppies? Or does that sound more like puppy mills or pet shop breeders. That's what comes first to my mind; hence the red flags. Just curious of opinions. |
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